New Korg NAUTILUS !!

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:31 pm

Watching the video manual series just released on YT, I'm reminded of the phrase "lipstick on a pig" for some reason.

Liviou2004 · Post by **Liviou2004** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:47 pm

GregC wrote:I bet $10, you or I can't get inside Nautilus and swap out the SSD.

That's a good question, indeed.
And another one : is this a new motherboard or did they use the Kronos Motherboard (which is not available as a single part, anymore ) ?

timg11 · Post by **timg11** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:20 pm

jimknopf wrote:This is nothing more than one further of the recent years long Kronos repackaging efforts (from new colours to the Grandstage) by the actual Korg management, without any remarkable overall concept update

I've been wondering if Korg somehow "lost the recipe" to the Kronos, given the lack of real enhancements. The removal of Karma shows that they can still compile the code, at least. But it still might be possible that a key developer has left the team, leaving Korg with no ability to progress the product other than to comment out existing functionality.

Just a speculation, but it does seem odd that a product that was leading-edge and successful has been left to stagnate, while products with the "other" codebase (not from the Oasys/Kronos architecture) have been developed and released in the meantime.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:34 pm

timg11 wrote:
jimknopf wrote:This is nothing more than one further of the recent years long Kronos repackaging efforts (from new colours to the Grandstage) by the actual Korg management, without any remarkable overall concept update
I've been wondering if Korg somehow "lost the recipe" to the Kronos, given the lack of real enhancements. The removal of Karma shows that they can still compile the code, at least. But it still might be possible that a key developer has left the team, leaving Korg with no ability to progress the product other than to comment out existing functionality.

Just a speculation, but it does seem odd that a product that was leading-edge and successful has been left to stagnate, while products with the "other" codebase (not from the Oasys/Kronos architecture) have been developed and released in the meantime.

my theory, which I have mentioned, is Korg has other priorities

They have other priorities, since there is more money to be made with their various new products launched in the past 2-4 years.

IOW, its a more short term business calculation.

Korg Inc doesn't act like they care about further development of Kronos. Thats my opinion after years and years of seeing their other decisions and lack of tangible communication to Kronos owners.

KK · Post by KK » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:36 pm

entonio wrote:I'm more and more convinced the Kronos is about to be updated with the improvements Nautilus has.

I would just be happy with more free software updates for my current Kronos.

Docflick · Post by **Docflick** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:15 pm

GregC wrote:
my theory, which I have mentioned, is Korg has other priorities

They have other priorities, since there is more money to be made with their various new products launched in the past 2-4 years.

IOW, its a more short term business calculation.

Korg Inc doesn't act like they care about further development of Kronos. Thats my opinion after years and years of seeing their other decisions and lack of tangible communication to Kronos owners.

I think you have cracked the code. I see Nautilus as a way to continue leveraging the more than decade old Oasys/Kronos R&D – at a significantly lower production cost and at a price point that will undoubtedly bring in an entirely new customer demographic.

I would not be surprised to see Korg discontinue the Kronos early next year and the Nautilus continue on as its "replacement" for several more years. Why not keep milking the cash cow?

entonio · Post by **entonio** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:24 pm

The problem with that theory is that even the most incompetent of managements should know that if you don't have high class products you're not a top brand and your inexpensive toys won't sell the same or with the same margins.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:49 pm

entonio wrote:The problem with that theory is that even the most incompetent of managements should know that if you don't have high class products you're not a top brand and your inexpensive toys won't sell the same or with the same margins.

we all think Kronos is a high class product. Its that Korg is milking it, or riding it to the hilt. IMO.

They are using the Kronos sound engines in Nautilus, for example.
Korg will generate more profit over future years with Nautilus is my opinion.

Its their business, of course. If I were president of Korg Inc , I would have also authorized budget $ to enhance Kronos vs doing nothing for 3 years.

The ship has sailed , is what I keep repeating.

hans1966 · Post by **hans1966** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:59 pm

Hi GregC, as I said in the news section, it gives the impression that Korg has created a fusion of Krome + Kronos, so that the end user can get the best of both models in one package. That is just my opinion

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:03 pm

hans1966 wrote:Hi GregC, as I said in the news section, it gives the impression that Korg has created a fusion of Krome + Kronos, so that the end user can get the best of both models in one package. That is just my opinion

hi Hans, Nautilus is sleek looking, fewer controls on the chassis. Not familiar with Krome.

nautilus sounds great, as we would expect from Korg.

kronoSphere · Post by **kronoSphere** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:15 pm

The notion of pleasure must be the priority in music. And it is not a degrading notion.
It is obvious that anyone who has been using the Kronos for years no longer seems to realize how much the Kronos is far too complicated a machine and also a very inflexible machine for someone new to the Kronos who just wants to have fun in it. the music.

Nautilus is for them

And fortunately: for us too.

wpostma · Post by **wpostma** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:23 pm

> - a sad joke of a completely insufficient controller interface for live play (and even unnerving in the home studio), still with an outdated capacitative display.

It's certainly outdated, and it's a resistive touch display, similar in design to the 1990s Palm Pilot, and the Kronos.

Warren

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:26 pm

It will be an excellent seller.

Folks will get over tactile everything and get into virtual controls.

Korg knows who will buy it before the buyers even realize it.

Its the Siren Song of Shiny New in 2021, for gigs to be in 2021/22.

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:56 am

GregC wrote:It will be an excellent seller.

Folks will get over tactile everything and get into virtual controls.

Korg knows who will buy it before the buyers even realize it.

Its the Siren Song of Shiny New in 2021, for gigs to be in 2021/22.

If folks are expected to get over tactile everything, and get used to virtual controls, then they might as well get an iPad and a MIDI controller for half the price. Nice, large, responsive screen. The new iPad has more processing power than the Kronos or Nautilus. Korg even make software for them.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:08 am

SeedyLee wrote:
GregC wrote:It will be an excellent seller.

Folks will get over tactile everything and get into virtual controls.

Korg knows who will buy it before the buyers even realize it.

Its the Siren Song of Shiny New in 2021, for gigs to be in 2021/22.
If folks are expected to get over tactile everything, and get used to virtual controls, then they might as well get an iPad and a MIDI controller for half the price. Nice, large, responsive screen. The new iPad has more processing power than the Kronos or Nautilus. Korg even make software for them.

Too logical. Buying a sexy keyboard like nautilus is somewhat emotional.

Powered iPad and controller is kind of boring,

Korg knows this, too. It’s a simple choice