1st Free Kronos Saxophone Pack

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:14 am

Hello Guys,

in the lack of good saxophone sounds, especially for Alt- and Tenorsaxes, I spent a couple of days on sampling sax sounds, which I would like to share with you.

All of them are sampled in 48.000 Hz at 24bit, tone by tone. 3 Alto and 3 Tenor Sax. 8 Velocity Layers each, one of the Altos even at 5 different expression steps, Every single sample is 9 seconds long, no looping. Total size of all the samples is about 7.5 GB.

I created a couple of programs from it, fitting to my needs, included in the PCG File. See here:

+------------------------+------------+-----------+---+----------------+----------------+
|Patch Name |Patch Type |Patch ID |Fav|Category |Sub Category |
+------------------------+------------+-----------+---+----------------+----------------+
|Kronos Alto Sax 1 |Program |U-DD000 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 2 |Program |U-DD001 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 3 |Program |U-DD002 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 4 |Program |U-DD003 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 5 |Program |U-DD004 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 6 JY+ |Program |U-DD005 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 7 JY+ |Program |U-DD006 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 8 JY+ |Program |U-DD007 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 9 JY+ |Program |U-DD008 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 10 JY+ |Program |U-DD009 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 11 |Program |U-DD010 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 12 |Program |U-DD011 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Sax 13 |Program |U-DD012 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 1 JY+ |Program |U-DD013 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 2 JY+ |Program |U-DD014 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 3 |Program |U-DD015 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 4 |Program |U-DD016 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 5 |Program |U-DD017 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Alto Growl 6 |Program |U-DD018 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Sax 1 JY+ |Program |U-DD019 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Sax 2 |Program |U-DD020 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Sax 3 |Program |U-DD021 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Growl 1 |Program |U-DD022 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Growl 2 |Program |U-DD023 | |6 |0 |
|Kronos Tenor Growl 3 |Program |U-DD024 | |6 |0 |
+------------------------+------------+-----------+---+----------------+----------------+

For sure, these are not perfect, yet, but for all of you surely a good starting point for your own creativity to modify them up to your personal needs.

Installation is rather easy, you just download and unzip all the 61 files from the link given below and copy all the unpacked files to your Kronos Harddrive. The programs are in the file "Kronos Sax Pack.PCG" which you have to load first. After you have to make sure, you load all of the UserBank.KSC files at the same time. This takes around 400 MB of your Kronos Ram. Also make sure, that EXi3 (Brass and Woodwinds), which was delivered with your Kronos, is properly loaded as well, since I used sometimes also some Multisamples from it, only for some of the Growl Sax.

So, here is the link, total download size is 6.5 GB:

http://www.mediacoustics.eu/index.php/site-map/kronos

Enjoy ! And maybe, once you made some better programms from the samples, you can post your PCGs here in this thread, so that the libary becomes even more useful to everybody !

Cheers
Garfield

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:32 am

Wow that looks like a lot of work! Thanks!

rs.felicio · Post by **rs.felicio** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:04 pm

Really, really thanks for this set. I'll test on the weekend.

I'm curious about the process, especially how to use a 24-bit samples .... I confess that I tried to use it a few times (including the large RSF Piano created a long time ago, but I can't.....had to convert the samples to 16 bits).

Congratulations for your job e for share it.

Rubinho

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:20 pm

Me too. I'm assuming the sampling was done in 24 bit but the files were downsampled to 16 bit after processing, to play in the Kronos.

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:48 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Me too. I'm assuming the sampling was done in 24 bit but the files were downsampled to 16 bit after processing, to play in the Kronos.

Well, I don´t know, what Kronos does with the samples, but I recorded everything in 24 bit, exported to and imported as SF2 to Kronos for further work. A conversion to 16 bit can only occur then importing to Kronos, but I did not downsample anything by myself actively.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:16 pm

I think Kronos probably automatically downsamples to 16 bit in that case, perhaps Dan can shed some light on this.

rs.felicio · Post by **rs.felicio** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:52 pm

oh .... my happiness was gone rsrsrsrs I thought you had discovered the solution for 24-bit samples at Kronos

I've done a lot tests, and when you export to SF2, the reduction is made...

Thank you.

carmol · Post by **carmol** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:12 pm

sounf font 2, until 2.4 specifications,
its only compatible with 16 bit samples,
so I think downsampling to 16 bit was
done during sf2 conversion

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:17 pm

Even if not, the 2.4 standard was created to be backwards compatible with older hardware so that hardware supporting only 16 bit soundfonts simply plays it at 16 bit.

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:22 pm

I really don´t want to be unpolite, but I think, a discussion about 16 or 24bit sample playback possibilities in Kronos and what SF2 export does or doesn´t to samples, shouldn´t be part of this thread. These samples are provided "as is" and I really doubt, that anyone in audience will hear a difference between 16 and 24 bit, once you´ll play it live on stage... Due to memory limitations, I even appreciate smaller file sizes anyway... For use in studio productions, there´s other (better) possibilities usually, than playing saxophone from Kronos...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:27 pm

The discussion is valid because there is some question about the format actually used/played by the Kronos. But you're right, I didn't even mention that it's awesome how these are offered to the community like this, considering all the amount of work in them! Thanks very much, MRedZac, I think that's a wonderful gift to the community. I didn't mean to shift the focus away from that so much.

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:32 pm

SanderXpander wrote:The discussion is valid because there is some question about the format actually used/played by the Kronos. But you're right, I didn't even mention that it's awesome how these are offered to the community like this, considering all the amount of work in them! Thanks very much, MRedZac, I think that's a wonderful gift to the community. I didn't mean to shift the focus away from that so much.

You´re welcome, my dear friend. Always getting answers from the comunity, it feels right, to give something back to it sometimes.

Even me, I find these questions about Bitrates on Kronos very interesting, but to me, this feels important enough, to discuss these in a seperate thread !

genehart · Post by **genehart** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:52 pm

SanderXpander wrote:I think Kronos probably automatically downsamples to 16 bit in that case, perhaps Dan can shed some light on this.

when I started to explore the manual programming of HD-1 patches
I've loaded 24 bit samples directly in sampling mode
everything seems to be ok )

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:17 pm

100 downloads so far... I´m already curious how many new PCG Files with programms on this libary will come back to this thread !

pfrocha · Post by **pfrocha** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:03 am

Can someone please help me unzip these files in a Mac? I can't seem to be able to unzip them...

Thanks