Groove tubes Ecc83 ... they came at last ......

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:01 am

Hey reddone thx for the fast reply.
I mailed the store and they replied that they didn't sell the ECC-83 tubes with an extra 's' at the end (all the types were normal ECC-83).

I'm going to buy my tubes online from Thomann:
http://www.thomann.de/be/groove_tubes_ecc83s.htm

Can't wait to plug them in!

subby187 · Post by **subby187** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:24 am

ok so i just got my new tubes as well thanks to ruso's suggestion and zomg...the sound blew me away O_O

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:55 am

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supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:00 am

If replacing the tubes is going to throw the left/right balance off then I honestly don't think it's worth the switch. I'd rather have the machine working properly than getting marginally better sound by putting in new tubes. It seems that many of you just want to believe that you've made a great discovery and are willing to overlook the negative aspects of replacing the tubes to support that notion.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:17 am

im afraid ur talking rubbish mate . for a start ive had an mx 5 years and on day one i noticed the balance wasnt 100% accurate , and plenty others hav noted the same . fortunatly if u have a good ear then tweaking the screws allows balancing anyway .

And as for marginal increased performance lol ... yeah right , better tubes have let me step up a level in production through giving better harmonics . maybe for an esx tubes wont make as much difference as an emx . there's NO CHANCE of getting the best subs and harmonic-rich synths/leads out of standard tubes against ecc83s ones .

Every mx user has been blown away by better sounds by upgrading .
i think to be honest that spending the small price does give a great boost so u think what u will but i know better

my friend has an mx and the difference between our sound is clear

try giving up the em-1 n get an mx maybe

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:51 am

I had an EMX. Nice machine but I didn't really care for having both the ESX and EMX. I like the EM-1 for it's super compact design and work flow. Back to the tube issue, maybe the difference is dramatic, but reading through this thread I read almost as much bad as good, especially when reading between the lines. If someone who has replaced the tubes on their ESX and hasn't had any negative results(loss of output, L/R balance issues, etc) then I would like to hear what tubes they used and where they bought them. Overall though, I'm happy with the sound the stock EH tubes in the ESX put out and would only spend money to replace them if I knew for sure I wouldn't actually just be spending money to get lower output and poor stereo balance.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:59 am

reddone wrote:Every mx user has been blown away by better sounds by upgrading .

islandstyle wrote:I just threw a pair of eurotubes JJ ECC83S tubes in and I can't say I'm so excited.Clean all the way up ,but is that because my max output gain has dropped 3db?
Also my bass diminished from big and bouncy to...
And then the worst of it is the 1db volume difference from left to right that the balancing pots seems to have no effect on.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:00 am

If anyone has replaced the tubes on their ESX and hasn't had any negative results(loss of output, L/R balance issues, etc) then I would like to hear what tubes they used and where they bought them.

11hz · Post by **11hz** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:04 am

jjec803s in my esx made a subtle difference for the better. Threw off the R L balance but that is super easy to fix.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:11 am

11hz wrote:jjec803s in my esx made a subtle difference for the better. Threw off the R L balance but that is super easy to fix.

To me a subtle improvement isn't worth throwing off my L/R balance though, especially since I would be paying for that trade off. Thanks though.

11hz · Post by **11hz** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:50 am

all you need is a small screwdriver and you can fix the balance. It took me about 5 minutes.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:04 am

11hz wrote:all you need is a small screwdriver and you can fix the balance. It took me about 5 minutes.

OK, I'm definately looking into it then.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:06 am

Settle down pal , i just tellin it like it is . Im WELL aware of those that were not so happy but islandstyle is one user against maybe 4-5 happy users .. and from what we read jj's are very clean , man musicmachine nearly sold his mx until he got groove tubes .

Im just sayin u cant presume what u hav no idea how the results are when comparing side by side ... simple really .

Come back when u know what a difference it may or may not make

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:25 am

reddone wrote:Settle down pal , i just tellin it like it is . Im WELL aware of those that were not so happy but islandstyle is one user against maybe 4-5 happy users .. and from what we read jj's are very clean , man musicmachine nearly sold his mx until he got groove tubes .

Im just sayin u cant presume what u hav no idea how the results are when comparing side by side ... simple really .

Come back when u know what a difference it may or may not make

Will do. I'm just a little uncertain because I really like my ESX and I don't want to f*ck anything up trying to "hotrod" it. I know most uses on here said they love the results, but I've heard other people's synth patches that they made that sounded like total garbage and every user on the synth forum was like "wow, that's amazing, what are the settings

" I'll give it a go and post my opinions in a few weeks after I get the new tubes in.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:15 pm

Sounds like a plan bud . I must stress that although i hav great improvements in sound on my mx i actually dont think i'd bother upgrading the sx .
If your using samples i actually think the way the standard tubes sound should be fine but ask ruso . it was the lack of smooth analog sounds that i missed from my ea-1 that bugged me til i upgraded the mx.

now every day im getting so much more depth and fine detail in sound .

let us know how it goes tho as it may turn out that esx1 isnt worth changing . anyhow , as u hav kept ur em-1 , im keepin my es-1 rather than get an esx .