Groove tubes Ecc83 ... they came at last ......

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Groove tubes Ecc83 ... they came at last ......

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Finally , after months waiting for these pre-amps they're here , and Definatly a good buy !!

First , clipping sounds dont really make much of an appearance anymore .
I'm not sure why that happens but its somethiing i never expected would be rectified .
Also ( big one for tha mx ) when tubes are up at max with loads going on u can still hear everything , but in a qaulity fizzly ( much more noticable than standard tubes ) kinda tone . Even when my mx was brand new i was dissapointed at the funny metalic-like buzzing the tubes made with alot of bass , not so now , BIG improvement :shock:

instanly All harmonics take a step up even at no tube level ( although sound actually goes thru the tubes at all times , just a little or alot ) and up higher , sounds have a bigger impact on the tubes giving the mx even more of a distinct tone . U'll b amazed at how even a little tube effect can change ur tone .
I held down a BASSY tone n slowly added gain , the changes were much more noticable , more like what u would've preffered in the first place from tubes ... the mx sounds much better without my compressor now .

U can hear the difference 4 sure , more refined yet capable of a better electric/grit effect on ur mix . Also they sound as if they compress more too . 8) ( basically when u turn the tubes up there is alot of change in tone but not so much in volume )

bear in mind that all tubes will have distinct characteristics , so if u get new ones keep ur old ones 4 sure . Mine are flat as a pancake after 5 years , but still hav uses .

Ok , trust me .... Upgrade . :wink:

Hope i cover all plus points ( except i got a dodgy nipple on one of my new boobs !?... nevermind ) . get em in boys , get em in ..... l8tr
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Post by anselmi »

WOWWWWW

AT LAST!!!!

I was waiting for that too...

Please upload some example files with exact parameters so we could compare it with our standar tubes!!!!


CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!!!...great news for all SX/MX owners!!!
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Post by Ruso »

recording kinda kills the tube sound... :-/ at least to a point...
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Post by musikmachine »

Cool man,glad to hear it.Are they the GT ECC83-S?Who did you get them from?I have found them in a couple of places so ihope it won't take months :(

Easy to install?From what i read you don't even need tools.And finally,has the white noise gone?

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noise is greatly reduced . unfortunatly , the popping/clippyness showed up again although definatly not as bad .

As ruso said tho , its almost pointless recording examples cos of mp3 damage . I'll see what tones i can make tho , i'm sure the tone will be just about evident .

Ecc38s is what ur after , no u dont need to mess with anythin , they just plug in an and ur away . instantly my L-R balance was restored.
Also , i must add that my friend has a 3 month old Mx and Gt's definatly have a more pro sound than standard tubes .

EH's Ax7's are ok , but i realise now how much they ARE the final tone of the Mx/Sx , and that the tone offered isnt of a complexity that compliments these machines fully . ( have u ever noticed that at times the mx can sound a bit squeeky ? ... it down to ur tubes )

I had to settle 4 second best tubes , who knows what the best do .
Anyway , my old tubes still hav an advantage of being able to blend n merge sounds cos they are flat ... but other than that they're used .

Shop around local stores maybe n try out tubes to see what tone suits u best , i'm gonna try some others too , im intrigued .
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Post by anselmi »

reddone3 wrote:As ruso said tho , its almost pointless recording examples cos of mp3 damage . I'll see what tones i can make tho , i'm sure the tone will be just about evident .
i don´t think that a simpe mp3 compresion will ruin the sound to the point of not been able to har the differences

but if you worry about it then upload short mono wavs
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What i'll do is , play around making sounds 4 a while n upload it to the site i put wavs up . I'd rather no go to all te bother of mp3 uploading 4 this , its just not worth it .

The thing is , if u listen to a long fading sound , at the end u should notice ( on original tubes ) that "bitty" kinda tail gradually break down til fade .
On the new tubes the same sounds will fade out with a fine "bitty/grit" .
This'll get lost most likely .

Mp3 will break up the lquality signal the tubes give , so ... i'll upload a nice tweak session in wav 2nite :wink:
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Post by anselmi »

excellent!
thanks a lot!

tell us about the replacing process...my skills in that kind of things are really poor...it´s a dificult task?

also tell us about where you get the tubes, the exact modle and the price...I really tempted to upgrade both my EMX and ESX to the groovetubes status!
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replacement is no problem . Just unscrew that back plate off , and pull ur tubes while wiggling them in a circular motion . I havnt had to tune the tubes to balance them neither ( luckily ) , but u mite if the tubes r not balanced well .

model : Gt Ecc83s , price: £12 each ... But , groove tubes hav had to find a new factory in russia , so they are thin on the ground , u'll hav to do a bit of hunting i'm afraid .

The real teller in sound was when i hold a note from default "dual osc" setting . Subs n smooth simple analog's sound more authentic .

U'll hear urself tho , i'm gonna just record me f*ck*ng around with tones as the drums will be harder to notice changes . Cant wait to get home .....
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Post by musikmachine »

Cool 8)

Look forward to it.
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Post by inducejack »

Thanks for the review Red
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Post by Ruso »

coolio mine came in too... I went with jj electronic ECC803S with golden pins.... reason being that they're smooth tubes with not much distortion... I don't like using the drive knob at all because it distorted too much but with this tube model it's very smooth distortion just adds very clean dynamics.... very fast shipping I ordered on sunday....
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Post by reddone »

Glad ur pleased dude !! 8) ... the difference allows alot more scope eh . I find that the drive knob has a completly different effect in my mixs now ( much cooler ) . look 4ward 2 hearing ur new stuff sometime . Nice one .
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Post by mish mash »

Wow nice 1 Red I didn't know that you could update it like that.....intiging ...very.I think mines are 12ax7eh or that's what's on them...I think i may take a closer look at it :idea:

thanx for sharing this
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Post by mish mash »

OK cool Ichecked it out and ll get them asap but a vital question remain now.Which ones to choose GT-ECC83-S or ECC803SJJ difficult choice
There's the link to GT-ECC83-S : http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=212204

Now I think I ll have to buy two sets and just compare but it's true what you said Red about the metallic sound on the bass it was the 1st i though was not great.....anyway lets get some new tubes man!!!
it's not how big you grow, it's how far you go!

Emx 1
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Kp3
Zero 8
PCR 500
Mac book pro
cdj 1000
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