Sampler uses

stichy · Post by **stichy** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:09 pm

I have the sampler on pre-order right now but it seems like the more I read, the more it seems that people are very disappointed about the low memory and lack of time-stretching.

Personally, I am justifying the order because of the beat making capabilities. I loved the work flow of the electribe 2 and found it inspiring, but the desire to bring some of my own sounds in prompted me to pre-order the sampler.

Besides beat making, what are some of the other personal uses that keep you excited for the sampler? Maybe some planned integration with your existing setup etc...

Olivander12 · Post by **Olivander12** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:07 am

It surely is no Ocatrack, but I think it will be great. I never sampled long phrases or loops, I always concetrated on using drum samples, hits, chrods, etc. So 270s of sample time are totally fine for me. I am wondering if it is going to have a basic synth engine or not.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:33 am

The Ultimate Kaoss Pad Dynamic Sampler / Effects replacement!

James Pullen wrote: You can use it in record-mode yeah... It can do that loop station Imogen heap/beardyman trick if you want it to.
...each pad represents a 16th

In had a good online conversation with James Pullen about the Sampler. The above comments address my my questions about sampling functionality.

While I was prepared for the Electribe Sampler (ES2) to be just a microSampler with better effects control and an actual step sequencer, based on James's responses, it look like that we will be getting the most awesome LIVE sampler on the planet. I am so used to working with the KP3 and it's limited 4 bank sampler. I have gotten a lot of use out of this system...8 years in fact. To me my money is getting me a KP3 with the ability to layer 3 types of effects (filter, insert and master) with 16 sample banks and each sample bank stores its own filter and insert effect settings and all of these sample banks are in groups of 16 to which one can have up to 250 sample bank groups. Oh and editing / chopping your samples live and on the fly is easily done via the 16 pads, double what I am used to on the KP3. Oh and one last thing...your samples can be pitched chromatically to any scale, making this ES2, like the ESX, a sampling keyboard module.

This is going to so freaking awesome! I can not wait to get my new sampler.

So how am I going to use my new ES2 ? ...as a kaoss based dynamic multi-effect / sampler unit for my E2, that's how!

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:09 am

Well James said you can use it in record mode, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can sample on the fly a la KP3. I mean, I surely hope so - if that's the case I'll be getting this as well! The KP3 is an outstanding piece of gear, probably my all time favorite (despite its limitations). So we will see!

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:04 am

roblabs wrote:Well James said you can use it in record mode, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can sample on the fly a la KP3. I mean, I surely hope so - if that's the case I'll be getting this as well! The KP3 is an outstanding piece of gear, probably my all time favorite (despite its limitations). So we will see!

Well the example he gave was Beardyman...who is knowo very well in the UK for his live looping work and uses about 8-10 KP3's to do it. The other example was Loop station which I have owned a couple of.

Also I asked about the using the pads as a a way to cut and slice your sample on the fly, much like how those of use use the 8 buttons on top to do the same thing in KP3. I kinda had to really explain this trick cause normally James does not work in this fashion. So his response was that each pad represents a 16th of the sample, where as for our KP3's those buttons represent an 8th of the over all sample. This editing feature could explain the slightly less amount of samples that can be stored in the ES2's on board memory.

James Pullen does not have a lot of experience in live looping, because that's not what he does. But at least he understood what I was trying to figure out and thus we got a little more info on the sampling features of the new ES2...a hell of a lot more than Korg has given us.

Honestly the microSampler could have been a great KP3 replacement if it was not for the fact you could not save settings, there was no way to edit your sample live on the spot and there was no step sequencing. Here with the ES2 at least you can edit your sample with the pads and envelop generator and your setting can be saved.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:08 am

SMK wrote:
Also I asked about the using the pads as a a way to cut and slice your sample on the fly, much like how those of use use the 8 buttons on top to do the same thing in KP3. I kinda had to really explain this trick cause normally James does not work in this fashion. So his response was that each pad represents a 16th of the sample, where as for our KP3's those buttons represent an 8th of the over all sample. This editing feature could explain the slightly less amount of samples that can be stored in the ES2's on board memory.

Yes I do recall you asking him that and James responding as such. That is very interesting and definitely that alone piqued my interest. I really love that feature on the kp3 but sadly as soon as you enter into that mode the current FX cuts off (the workaround of course is to resample but this becomes less feasible if you have multiple samples going with different effects each....unlessof course you wish to own more than one kp3 ((something I have wanted for a while and may end up eventualluy doing)))....but anyway the kp3 was never really made for the type of editing and sequencing possible on the electribes so you can't really knock it there. So if the es2 has this functionality, that alone is a warm welcome for a kp3 user!

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:44 am

RE: each pad is one 16th of a sample in ES2 while on Kp3 samples can only be spit into 8ths

roblabs wrote: I really love that feature on the kp3 but sadly as soon as you enter into that mode the current FX cuts off (the workaround of course is to resample but this becomes less feasible if you have multiple samples going with different effects each....unlessof course you wish to own more than one kp3 ((something I have wanted for a while and may end up eventualluy doing)))....but anyway the kp3 was never really made for the type of editing and sequencing possible on the electribes so you can't really knock it there. So if the es2 has this functionality, that alone is a warm welcome for a kp3 user!

You, know I completely forgot about that issue where we are pushed out of the effects any time we edit samples on the KP3. I think it's a feature I do more in the studio than I do live. Yeah, that another cool advantage to be looking forward to with the new ES2.

Yeah my old KP3 will be pretty much obsolete and ready for Craigslist by the time mid March rolls around

stlkr · Post by **stlkr** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:45 pm

it would be great if I could upload loops longer than 8 bars.
sequencing plus loops would be fantastic.
i want to get roland sp-555 but i'll wait and see until sampler is released.

1_inch_punch · Post by **1_inch_punch** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:05 pm

Lets crank that wind turbine of hype again.

Seriously, i wont be bothering a whit with any thing from Mr Douchey on Esx.

I'll be hanging on the verdicts of sauce and leon dustar.

Anything else is the fish that john west rejects.

And i want the sonicstate review done by Nick NOT Mr Douchey steering away from the faults. I want to see Nicks furrowed brow when he encounters clicks.

wasstof · Post by **wasstof** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:36 pm

SMK wrote:
Yeah my old KP3 will be pretty much obsolete and ready for Craigslist by the time mid March rolls around

Wishful Thinking Methinks!....
Unless I've missed something?!

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:06 pm

wasstof wrote:
SMK wrote:
Yeah my old KP3 will be pretty much obsolete and ready for Craigslist by the time mid March rolls around
Wishful Thinking Methinks!....
Unless I've missed something?!

1 bar max sample recording on KP3 vs 4 bar max on ES2
3 different forms of effect processing (1 filter, 1 insert multiple effect and 1 master multiple effect) on ES2 to only 1 effect processor on KP3
2 different effects can be sampled with sampled source (filter and insert effect) to no effects being sampled along with sampled source with out re-sample on KP3
16 sample banks to KP3's 4 banks
Any sample can be pitched to any scale and played on ES2...nothing like that on KP3

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:21 pm

1_inch_punch wrote:Lets crank that wind turbine of hype again.

Seriously, i wont be bothering a whit with any thing from Mr Douchey on Esx.

I'll be hanging on the verdicts of sauce and leon dustar.

Anything else is the fish that john west rejects.

And i want the sonicstate review done by Nick NOT Mr Douchey steering away from the faults. I want to see Nicks furrowed brow when he encounters clicks.

That's pretty harsh dude.

Me personally I thought that was really nice of this artist to answer my questions in a timely manor...he has the unit and was kind enough to share what he has learned.

When I think about first user impressions of the E2, one comment stuck out the most; "this is nothing more than a Kaossilator Pro on Steroids".
That reviewer was right and I was so happy to read it, because I'm coming from the Kaoss side of the Korg gear spectrum.

So with the ES2 it would be a fair expectation that it could be regarded as a KP3 on steroids...and I hope that is the case. I'm not looking for another EMX or ESX, I'm looking for new gear that fits my needs.

I think it is important to manage ones expectations. For me the ES2 could be the super KP3 of my dreams or it could end up being more like the microSampler but at least there is step sequencer and more effect editing features. I can be fine with that.

I guess it is easy to be hopeful because I would going from an ES-1 to and ES2...which to me is a wonderful upgrade.

Well to tie this all up...we know absolutely nothing about the ES2, Korg has told us nothing about it's sampling capabilities and continues to do nothing to market it, and get us all excited about it. So I asked an artist whom we all know has one and he was nice enough to respond. His response has given all of us a small idea of what we might expect.

wasstof · Post by **wasstof** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:19 pm

Sorry #SMK. I was referring to the mid March date, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Sampler can do, probably won't be preordering as I'm still getting to grips with the E2 and I've never used a sampler, if however Korg see fit to release some promo vids I might just jump on board early

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:58 pm

wasstof wrote:Sorry #SMK. I was referring to the mid March date, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Sampler can do, probably won't be preordering as I'm still getting to grips with the E2 and I've never used a sampler, if however Korg see fit to release some promo vids I might just jump on board early

Don't get me started on Korgs poor marketing strategy. I still need to send my resume to their company...I think they new head of marketing.

At least we are getting one. If you have never used a sampler of any kind and if James Pullens remarks are any real indication on what to expect, the ES2 will be the easiest Sampler you will have ever used. But it will also be the most robust sampler Korg has ever developed... a huge game changer.
Now if it turns out to be more of what most are expecting...an ESX upgrade, or more like the microSampler, then yeah, the learning / skill curve is going to be pretty deep.

I am with you on getting to grips with the E2. So if the release is delayed it's not going to bug me...I still have more work to do on my E2.
How the new sampler actually samples will determine how quickly I get into it once I get it. I'm glad to be getting the new ES2, but will it be just the same as ESX or microSampler or will it sample like the KP3? Yep Korg needs to post some videos, like now!

Flaco · Post by **Flaco** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:47 pm

Olivander12 wrote:It surely is no Ocatrack, but I think it will be great. I never sampled long phrases or loops, I always concetrated on using drum samples, hits, chrods, etc. So 270s of sample time are totally fine for me. I am wondering if it is going to have a basic synth engine or not.

Is that 270 seconds of PER sample? or total available memory for the unit?