Does anyone have a good Acoustic Piano to share?

[dbrosa]

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: Does anyone have a good Acoustic Piano to share?
Hello everyone.

I'm pretty new here in the Forum, but have read a lot before post this topic. I use to be a keyboard player in a rock'n roll band 20 years ago, using the fantastic (and quite new at the time) Roland JV-80 Multi Timbral Synthesizer.

Due to many reasons after all this time I'm playing again with some friends from the past and my excellent JV-80 has become "old"... I'm missing Leslies, organ patches and some other "sounds" so I've started to looking for a complementary equipment. Both were elected as competitors: Roland Juno-Stage and Korg M50... The chosen one was the M50 (Since 1994, I guess, I wonder to have a 01/W and this was the opportunity to have a Korg)...

Well, fantastic equipment the M50, BUT, come on... terrible pianos. The JV-80 ones are far away better, but I don't want to carry 2 synths to gigs so I was trying to "build" the A.Piano 3 of JV in the M50. Needless to say that I'm facing huge difficulties to conciliate Roland's and Korg's way to nominate parameters and so one, so I just can't handle to build the piano I want. All my knowledge belongs to Roland gear and Korg has some key differences I need to learn...

Some topics about Korg's pianos has been written in the forum, and many people just say as aswer: "stop just protest and build your own piano...". Well, I've tried... (LOL).

In fact (and so sorry by the long posting) I just want to know how to make this JV's parameters fit into the M50 so I can recreate as much as possible the A.Piano 3 I want to play Beatles (Long and Winding Road, Golden Slumbers, You Never Give Me Your Money, Let It Be, Imagine (Lennon), etc).







Moreover, I really appreciate if someone has a good acoustic "pop" piano to share...

Thank you VERY MUCH in advance and my kind regards to Korg Forum people.

Daniel

[iluvchiclets]

Try Kim Lajoie's site:

http://kimlajoie.com/pianos/

He has a few pianos you can try for free, and see if you like the differences between his programs and the Korg factory programs.

I have used these pianos for quite a while now. The one I found especially useful was called "Big Black", and I felt it was quite different compared to the Korg patches. In my opinion, it will work for some of your Beatle songs.

You Never Give, and Imagine, both have very characteristic pianos and I think it will be difficult to replicate them. However, Kim's "Broken Piano" might be a start if you can go into the programming and have them not so de-tuned. Also, using the waveform fader, eliminate the clicks on the key contacts...

Try the samples out and see what you think.

[Ajbbklyn]

Here's a forum link to a thread by Áureo Galli of Korg Support Brazil:

KORG M50 CUSTOM COMBS BY KORGMAN FREE!!

His custom piano sounds might be just the thing you're looking for.

[dbrosa]

tks you all, guys! I've got the patches and are trying one by one to taste.

This mod. pianos sounds better then the originals, BUT, nothing close to the JV/XP ones... I still studding Korg's parameters to correlate with Roland's ones in the hope of building the pianos whose parameters I posted in the attached pictures.

If someone has a deep understanding of M50 Editor Software and has the ability to copy the JV's patch to M50, oooh, I'll be very thankful.

As soon as I achieve the piano I'm looking for I'll let you know and will share it here.

Kind regards

[theplague]

tks you all, guys! I've got the patches and are trying one by one to taste.

This mod. pianos sounds better then the originals, BUT, nothing close to the JV/XP ones... I still studding Korg's parameters to correlate with Roland's ones in the hope of building the pianos whose parameters I posted in the attached pictures.

If someone has a deep understanding of M50 Editor Software and has the ability to copy the JV's patch to M50, oooh, I'll be very thankful.

As soon as I achieve the piano I'm looking for I'll let you know and will share it here.

Kind regards

Please let us know when you achieve such piano.
Thanks

[dbrosa]

(LOL)

I'm almost giving up... My knowledge of building sounds (subtractive synthesis) is VERY poor... Every time I try to make something better it turns worst...

Come'on... It can't be that difficult to have a piano like this in a Korg equipment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGLNJbVrM4

Hey someone... Any guess?!?!?! Any Help?!?!?! Any something ?!?!?!?!

[xmlguy]

Have you added Hall reverb and a chorus effect, like the parameters shown on the JV patch? If so, how much have you played with the effect parameters?

Piano patches have less to do with subtractive synthesis and more to do with starting with the most appropriate multisample for the sound you want, then tweeking them with effects, since the sampling is done with dry/no fx.

[dbrosa]

I've added some effects... It changes "a bit", but the mid frequencies (around C4) starts to tangle... A Cm7 chord in that are sounds do "artificial" and tangled... I've worked with the Mid equalization without good results. When the C4 starts to become OK the lower piano sounds terrible.

As you've mentioned, I guess Korg's multisample for the M series (M3 has terrible pianos too) is the issue, so we try workarounds to "fix" this main problems, but as it comes from the "heart" of the sound a "solution" appears to be VERY difficult.

I can't tell about Korg equipment 'cause my experience with has 2 weeks at most... Other programs are fantastic in the M50 (synth, organs, etc)... I can't believe that a good piano isn't possible in this equipment... I just want a piano that sounds like a acoustic piano, with bright and fidelity... The ones I've got so far sounds muffled in lower, tangled in mid and strident in high... I can't find a good piano from C2 up to C8 anywhere and could not build myself one...

Any suggestion and comments will be appreciated.

Thank you ALL for the support and interest in help.

Kind regards,

[dbrosa]

Hey guys, I MUST apologize with Korg and you all... Finally I found the problem of my M50 pianos and, believe me, it's ridiculous... (shame on me)

I've reached home today really upset, then I put the headset and start to play a bit... I don't know why I've decided to play only the M50 and (as I never do) turned the Behringer Mixer off and plugged a in bud earphone directly in the phone out of the M50... WHAT A DIFFERENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sound is competently different and much better... Besides the JV-80 has the same behavior on the phone out and Left/mono out ports, the M50 has difference on it. I'm pretty sure that I'll need some time to fine tune the mixer adjust... This is the same in the studio/rehearsal... We're using "same" adjusts we used with the JV-80 and the sound isn't that good with the M50...

In a nutshell, the bad pianos are my exclusive fault, not Korg's or equipment (M50).

Once again, tks for the support and comments.

Kind regards

[Pincho Paxton]

Now that you mention it, I tried it out, and mine sounds a lot better connected directly to headphones as well.

[conundrum]

But if the headphone out does not sound consistent with the line out, isn't that "Korg's fault"?

[xmlguy]

But if the headphone out does not sound consistent with the line out, isn't that "Korg's fault"?

Not if the output of the line out is judged by what comes out of the speakers, when any number of things could be screwed up in the cabling, mixer, power amps, speakers, or anything else in the signal path after leaving the synth.

The reason we test with headphones is to eliminate all of those other possibilities. I have a separate headphone monitor amp box that I can use to test outputs with known-good gear.

[kikedeolivos]

But if the headphone out does not sound consistent with the line out, isn't that "Korg's fault"?

Not if the output of the line out is judged by what comes out of the speakers, when any number of things could be screwed up in the cabling, mixer, power amps, speakers, or anything else in the signal path after leaving the synth.

The reason we test with headphones is to eliminate all of those other possibilities. I have a separate headphone monitor amp box that I can use to test outputs with known-good gear.

+1 with your statement, I do the same to "listen" to the internal sounds, a flat response, quality set of headphones.

[dbrosa]

Hello All...

After digging into Korg Forum I've found a crucial information that solved my piano bad quality sound over M50 outputs... For those who want more details read: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 5b0095926c

In a nutshell, my big mistake that gave me back bad and nonadjustable equalization over pianos (and some other patches) consists in the way I was routing the M50 outputs. As the like above, the Left/Mono and Right outputs send "partial" (please, note the quotes) signal of the sound. I was plugging the 'L/Mono' in the mixer and the 'R' to my amplifier, so I was getting in result "partial" signal going to the 2 equipment and not a "full" as I was imagining... I've solved the issue, getting same audio quality as I have with the Phone Output just using two mono cables, one in the 'L/Mono' M50's output to the Behringer 'L/mono' input of a channel and doing the same with the "R" output to "R" input. Bingo, fantastic sound.




As I still need to have a return of my amplifier during rehearsals, so I'm using the Phone M50's output to do it (and I can adjust the equalization and volume direct on the "cube").

Done my friends... Good pianos and all other sounds from the M50... Simple as that...

I'd like to thank you all for the support and comments of my initial post. If a can help somebody just leave a Privet Message.

Kind regards,[/img]

[X-Trade]

Why don't you run the monitor off the Ctrl Room output on the Mixer?