How much for an Oasys now that the Kronos is out?

paugui · Post by **paugui** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:44 am

How much do you think the Oasys will go for in the second hand market now that the Kronos is out?

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:26 am

About half the price it was two days ago, of that! (and I'm an owner so I do not say that likely). But I thinks it's academic - any OASYS owner looking to sell will find it very hard to do so at this time.

paugui · Post by **paugui** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:35 am

I was thinking that too...

The Kronos 88 will be around 3500 euros, so will the Oasys be around 1000 euros less?
Since they seem quite similar and the Kronos comes with the advantage of being covered by warranty, I think that difference should be fair, no?
Considering all the expansions are included, obviously.

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:20 am

Who knows?

The only way is to actually test the market and see what demand is there at what price.

paugui · Post by **paugui** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:43 am

True.

I doubt there will be too many Oasys for sale in the next times, as the Kronos doesn't seem to be worse than the Oasys and I don't think people that paid a lot for the Oasys will be happy to let them go for a lot less than 3500 euros.

I hope some of them go for around 2000 euros, that could be an interesting purchase, but for more, I think it would be worth waiting a bit more and getting the Kronos when they decide to drop the price a bit.

I think to have 2 years of warranty and the some extras the Kronos offer should be worth at least 1000 euros, at least for me.
I was mainly curious to know if other people think the same way too.

bobbybee · Post by **bobbybee** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:10 am

Korg OASYS 88 auction on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0430536456

$3625 starting bid.

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:50 am

I am just living in the hope that Korg have weighed into their marketing the factor that they wont leave their existing loyal customers in the lurch. After all the OASYS cost many people here a substantial part of their annual income a few years ago and although I realise that technology marches on and one cannot expect everything to retain its value forever, but I am sincerely hoping that Korg may have a future plan to appease the OASYS community. As mentioned before on this forum, even if it isnt something like an upgrade possibility due to technical or logistical reasons, then perhaps a rebate or discount of some sort for those exisisting O users who would like to purchase Kronos. That would be a commendable gesture and show that Korg are not only looking for new sales but are also commited to their existing customer base. Just my 2 pence

Well whatever happens it isn't going to be for a while I guess. So for now I will just keep hold of and enjoy using my superb sounding OASYS, and in the meantime try and save up for the eventuality that Korg will do a part exchange.....and yes, that was a joke.......or was it......I guess we'll have to wait and see

dranandj · Post by **dranandj** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:36 am

t_tangent wrote:I am just living in the hope that Korg have weighed into their marketing the factor that they wont leave their existing loyal customers in the lurch. After all the OASYS cost many people here a substantial part of their annual income a few years ago and although I realise that technology marches on and one cannot expect everything to retain its value forever, but I am sincerely hoping that Korg may have a future plan to appease the OASYS community. As mentioned before on this forum, even if it isnt something like an upgrade possibility due to technical or logistical reasons, then perhaps a rebate or discount of some sort for those exisisting O users who would like to purchase Kronos. That would be a commendable gesture and show that Korg are not only looking for new sales but are also commited to their existing customer base. Just my 2 pence

Well whatever happens it isn't going to be for a while I guess. So for now I will just keep hold of and enjoy using my superb sounding OASYS, and in the meantime try and save up for the eventuality that Korg will do a part exchange.....and yes, that was a joke.......or was it......I guess we'll have to wait and see

Korg has no precedence of such a gesture. From history we know once Korg moves on with a product, it moves on completely. With oasys, although they did release few freebies after they discontinued it, that was only a bonus to all of us. Would be really surprised if Korg released an update for the oasys. Even if they want to do, oasys hardware has to support it to fully utilise the functionality. I doubt if oasys can do it.

Unless it happens like in the fantasy world, korg is willing to do a hardware upgrade for a price and install kronos into the oasys.

But you will never know, I may get married to angelina jolie tomorrow.

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:22 am

dranandj wrote:
Korg has no precedence of such a gesture. From history we know once Korg moves on with a product, it moves on completely. With oasys, although they did release few freebies after they discontinued it, that was only a bonus to all of us. Would be really surprised if Korg released an update for the oasys. Even if they want to do, oasys hardware has to support it to fully utilise the functionality. I doubt if oasys can do it.

Unless it happens like in the fantasy world, korg is willing to do a hardware upgrade for a price and install kronos into the oasys. But you will never know, I may get married to angelina jolie tomorrow.

Yes, I know sadly that is the case. Just trying to remain optimistic and see what happens, but you're right, there's more chance of going for a pissup with Jim Morrison

Oh well, bollox to it all. I'm off to bed. Night mate

jgsidak · Post by **jgsidak** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:22 pm

As a matter of economics, there is a simple answer: replacement cost. No Oasys will sell for more than an 88 key Kronos. (If you have insured your Oasys and it were stolen, your insurance company would not pay you more than the cost of the closest Kronos.)

Setting to one side technology and musicality, a management consultant advising KORG would consider the Kronos a repriced, repackaged "Oasys Mark II." Think of the pricing of any other consumer electronics product. The early adopters are the consumers at the high end of the demand curve. The Kronos is an example of intertemporal price discrimination (albeit, with some technical improvements and nice physical repackaging).

Given the current international economic situation, there can't be a viable level of consumer demand to sell $6000 to $8000 workstations. The income elasticity of demand for powerful synths has to be high--and real incomes (and certainly asset values, which influence lifetime consumption decisions) have fallen sharply in most advanced economies since 2008.

The price elasticity of demand for synths like the Oasys is also surely high. There are the inframarginal consumers (successful professional musicians and affluent hobbyists) to be sure, but the marginal consumers who respond to price change must be far, far more numerous.

Moreover, since there are powerful network effects from increasing the customer base for any consumer device that combines hardware and software, KORG's implicit repositioning of the Oasys as the cheaper Kronos could stimulate a more robust supply of incremental, software-based improvements, whether they are produced by KORG or third parties.

Finally, I am puzzled why no synth manufacturer has tried to work with Apple to really dramatically expand the customer base by improving the compatibility of the work station with a computer and recording software. The real "game changer" would be the iSynth, jointly developed with Apple.

Bach42t · Post by **Bach42t** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:50 pm

I would buy your OASYS for One Mil-ee-uunn Dollars. Seriously, they are real close but the OASYS was made with very limited production numbers. If the same day they released the Kronos, they made a batch of OASYS for the same price with all expansions, I would definitely choose the OASYS. It's not subtle in anyway like the Kronos as far as the materials. We will just have to see... I can imagine right after launch of the Kronos there will be more influx of OASYS on the market. If there was a minty 76-key for around 2500-3000 (not to offend anyone) I think I might jump on it. It would look great on the bottom and the Kronos on the top of a two-tier. I just moved my Motif ES8 and haven't looked back, so I now have some cash in reserve for the Kronos. Since it's not out until around April according to RichF, there is a lot of time. Kind of OT, but I am hoping Roland will blow out the V-Synth GT... That would look sweet above an OASYS or Kronos.

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:59 pm

An Oasys76 went for 2,500 GBP on ebay.co.uk in November 2010.

Now that Kronos is announced I guess my Oasys 76 is worth considerably less, maybe 1,500 GBP? If my (very expensive to buy new) Oasys 76 could be upgraded with the additional Kronos synth engines etc. maybe it would help keep the price a bit higher.

But why am I thinking our friends at Korg.com won't be bothered with the plight of original Oasys users?

I'm always on the lookout for new/used gear and I would possibly have considered a Kronos if I thought I had been treated properly as a high end user. But as things stand no way will Korg ever get their grubby little hands on any more of my hard earned money.

paugui · Post by **paugui** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:06 am

Bach42t wrote:I would buy your OASYS for One Mil-ee-uunn Dollars. Seriously, they are real close but the OASYS was made with very limited production numbers. If the same day they released the Kronos, they made a batch of OASYS for the same price with all expansions, I would definitely choose the OASYS. It's not subtle in anyway like the Kronos as far as the materials. We will just have to see... I can imagine right after launch of the Kronos there will be more influx of OASYS on the market. If there was a minty 76-key for around 2500-3000 (not to offend anyone) I think I might jump on it. It would look great on the bottom and the Kronos on the top of a two-tier. I just moved my Motif ES8 and haven't looked back, so I now have some cash in reserve for the Kronos. Since it's not out until around April according to RichF, there is a lot of time. Kind of OT, but I am hoping Roland will blow out the V-Synth GT... That would look sweet above an OASYS or Kronos.

I would rather have an Oasys too, the looks of it are way better

But considering the fact that the Kronos is new and comes with 2 or 3 years of warranty just makes it impossible to offer the same for the Oasys, in my opinion.

So I hope they start being sold for much less so I can afford one

But I don't think for prices around 2000 euros many people will be tempted into selling them...
My parents gave around 2500 euros for my Korg Triton in 2003 and despite I don't use it that much nowadays, I couldn't see myself selling it considering how much it costed back then and how much it would sell for right not...

But I hope I'm wrong... cause I'd really like to grab an Oasys (the Kronos is still too expensive for me... at least for now...)

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:59 am

paugui wrote:
But considering the fact that the Kronos is new and comes with 2 or 3 years of warranty

Korg UK give 1 year warranty.

paugui · Post by **paugui** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:07 am

I think that in the European Union items must have 2 years of warranty.
At least in Portugal, that is required by law.

In Thomann and MusicStore they even offer 3 years of warranty, if I'm not mistaken.