Do I want those "extra" oscs & filters on the

FerdinandMcSassypants · Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:36 am

I've read a lot of "which Electribe 2 should I buy" posts and done a lot of feature comparisons. It seems like the Electribe 2 Sampler is the clear winner over the Electribe 2 (non-sampler).

But I keep getting stuck on one thing: after listening to a lot of user-created tracks and demos from both machines, I usually prefer the tracks created on the Electribe 2 (non-sampler).

It seems as though a lot of people are using the E2 Sampler as basically an MPC-style drum machine. I hear a lot of tracks featuring mostly sampled hits and sliced loops with effects, and fairly standard sample-mangling (pitch shifting, time-stretching, HP/LP filtering).

And it seems as though a lot of people are using the E2 (non-sampler) more like a rack of synthesizers to create wild and evolving analog-ish electronic tracks.

Do the "missing" oscillators & filters in the E2 Sampler make a big difference to its sonic-sculpting capabilities?

On paper, it doesn't seem like a few more filters should make a huge difference, and it looks like most of the E2 (non sampler) "oscillators" are really just PCM samples anyway. But from the demos I've heard, the E2 (non-sampler) sounds like it allows for much deeper tweaking and sculpting.

Is this just my imagination? (or maybe I just haven't heard the right demo tracks to show off the E2 Sampler's synthesis chops)?

Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks[/b]

mikejarod · Post by **mikejarod** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:48 am

I think the standard filters on the Sampler 2 really suck. I want all the filters. I dont care about the oscs.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:52 am

After using the sampler OS on my synth E2 for a couple weeks, I ended up preferring and reverting to the synth version still, so I wouldn't say it's a clear choice. I know some people don't hear the differences, but to me the extra filter models are well worth it, they greatly expand the sounds you can create.

Plus, if you buy the synth version you can do the OS hack and get both units in one machine. So there's really no reason to buy the sampler version anymore IMVHO, unless you really want an all black one or the stock samples.

Steinberger · Post by **Steinberger** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:48 pm

Synth version. Don't forget the edit knob for the oscillator does some neat tricks with certain wave forms, especially in the synth category. When you couple that with the modulation section assigned to the OSC Edit knob you get some wow moments.

Z7A · Post by **Z7A** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:39 pm

I need the acid filter and everything is not samples according to KORG:

The 409 oscillator waveforms include analog modeling and PCM. The analog modeling synth engine provides a broad variety ranging from simple basic waveforms to complex combinations such as dual, unison, sync, ring modulation, and cross modulation. The PCM sound engine provides mainly rhythm sounds, but also covers multisamples for keyboard.

If I need samples I have a sampler which I can sequence over MIDI with the E2. Or if you buy the ES2 you can control some synth.

However, I am interested in getting the ES2 also to have 32 parts to work with. Then more possibilities open up, with connecting them to different effect-processors.

blackholesun · Post by **blackholesun** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:12 pm

I much prefer the synth version as well. To my ears, the filters do make a huge difference when sculpting sound...and I'm not an audiophile at all. I've just gotten around to experimenting with the bandpass filters and there's a lot of sound design goodness to be explored there.