Kronos with Oasys sides

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:44 pm

Yes, forget the sides, I'd be very interested in the tablet-holder!

JFree · Post by **JFree** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:43 pm

any more info on this, or tablet holder?

uhura · Post by **uhura** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:21 pm

Get this one, costs 80€ and works great!
https://www.facebook.com/specialmusicstands/?fref=nf

Free Kronos Setlist Editor:
http://arweiler.onlinehome.de/onksor.html

fcoulter · Post by **fcoulter** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:33 pm

Looking at their Facebook page, it appears that the stands are 3D printed and sold through the German eBay. The problem with their pictures is that the stands are on a Kronos 61 and cover the controls.

I've been thinking about attaching a nanoPAD 2 and a small mixer to a Kronos 88 using Velcro or something similar. But these stands might work better. And there's all that dead space to the left and right of the controls which might be a very safe space for the stands.

Perhaps it's time to start experimenting with 3D printers. Or that they (or someone else) expand their range of stands. I wonder if they've patented the stand.

uhura · Post by **uhura** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:53 pm

The stand is moveable. Watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h8WPddREqs
He builds them for all Kronos and Nord models and all IPad types.

JFree · Post by **JFree** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:40 pm

Those are very cool too. You have one I assume? I have a different tablet, can it be made for that possibly?

uhura · Post by **uhura** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:52 pm

Yes, i got one for my Kronos 61 classic (IPad Air 2).
I love it.
The prototype was made with a 3D printer but the actual holder exists partly of manually shaped metal. Hist mail address is on the Facebook About Side.

JFree · Post by **JFree** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:03 pm

will try-cheers

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:41 pm

Has anyone actually purchased these "darksides"? Wondering how to purchase (especially in English, USA)? Its not clear from the website. Even his FB page is not clear if this even released yet. One cool thing I found on his FB page....is that it seems to fit the original Kronos 1 too (which I have)...so if I could figure out HOW to buy....I'm in! These look great!

HUBA · Post by **HUBA** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:20 pm

Seems this project never materialized. Bummer. The sides look great.

If one was to try and track down someone capable of recreating these based on pictures + access to an original pair for needed measurements / 3D scan, what type of profession/service are we talking about?
If more than one then what would be the most obvious / best bet?

Not sure what type of material would be most suitable but I assume some kind of plastic casting would be necessary. Lacquered hard wood of some sort would probably be a cheaper but probably less pretty alternative.

Thoughts?

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:23 am

For me this would be pretty much a normal day at work to prototype these, but the likely hood of people being interested in these would be in super small numbers. Most people won’t want to open up their KRONOS to install them.

It's a nice idea though. They do look good. Could be easier to just 3D print them using some cool materials. There's some really great options when it comes to PLA these days.

Kind regards
Sharp.

HUBA · Post by **HUBA** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:43 pm

Sharp wrote:For me this would be pretty much a normal day at work to prototype these, but the likely hood of people being interested in these would be in super small numbers. Most people won’t want to open up their KRONOS to install them.

It's a nice idea though. They do look good. Could be easier to just 3D print them using some cool materials. There's some really great options when it comes to PLA these days.

Kind regards
Sharp.

Thanks for the reply. That's interesting. What is your profession if you don't mind me asking? And what would be your suggestion for type of business for requesting a project like this? I have no clue whatsoever about 3D printing besides an impression of the equipment being quite expensive if it can handle stuff much bigger than the size of a box of matches, so, I take it, not really for hobbyists quite yet(?)

From a business perspective I can see the market probably being somewhat modest for it to make much sense for a professional manufacturer above a certain size. I was more hoping to find a smaller type service that offered such work by a single customers request at a beforehand stated price. Mind you, unless I was to divide the project between two different services, the shape of the holes must also be determined by whoever it is that is taking this on, so they would need to also have at least a minimum of relevant competence beyond just owning a 3D printer. All I am good for is providing the original Kronos2 side panels for outer measure.

I hear you on the question of how many Kronos owners being willing to open the thing up for installing these as I am myself not exactly the dexterous type by any stretch of the imagination. It still took me less than half an hour to take the Kronos apart, look inside and reattach things. My guess is the question is more whether people like the Oasis look enough to pay whatever it would be for new side panels. But who knows.

HUBA · Post by **HUBA** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:54 pm

BTW, in the smaller business type scenario the potential for more Kronos owners still could help motivating someone to take on such project and offer it at a payable price. At least as far as I understand this, once the model is finished the cost of making additional copies would be down to mostly materials and wear of equipment, so not much more work, but more profit the more customers you can get. I suppose some effort would have to be put in to inform Kronos owners of the existence of the product, but that wouldn't have to be all that complicated nor expensive. Other than that most of the work would already have been done.

But yeah, probably not something that single handedly would make someone rich.Maybe more something an enthusiast with his own Kronos would do first and foremost for himself and see additional sale profits as an added plus. The Synave guys at one point obviously thought the idea made sense though, if nothing more than at least as a side project. I have no idea why they dropped it, but for all I know it was other reasons behind than lack of profit. Maybe they went bankrupt before it materialized. Either way my thinking is there may well be other similar smaller businesses that might see a point in this but aren't wise to the demand, however small or big it actually is.

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:58 pm

Thanks for the reply. That's interesting. What is your profession if you don't mind me asking?

Began as an engineer building all manner of complex machines from Steel. Moved into Robotic and the Aerospace industry building parts for Jet Engines and CNC programming. These days I’m the head of Immersive Technologies in a company where I 3D model, prototype electronics and all manner of mad things.

And what would be your suggestion for type of business for requesting a project like this? I have no clue whatsoever about 3D printing besides an impression of the equipment being quite expensive if it can handle stuff much bigger than the size of a box of matches, so, I take it, not really for hobbyists quite yet(?)

As I mentioned in my last post, only very small numbers of people would be interested in these because it requires you to take your entire KRONOS apart to install them. So from a business point of view, it’s a horrible idea. The only way it may make any sense is if someone was to make end pieces for various different products.

3D printing is an option. It’s cheap, but slow. Ideal for prototyping or doing very tiny runs. I use 3D printers all the time for one off's and prototyping.

If wood is preferred, a CNC Router is the way to go. After the initially programming and deign for the machine, a CNC Router could pump out end pieces pretty darn quickly. One machine would do a few hundred in a day.

Given it’s ability to produce so many, it’s not worth even buying the machine as you wouldn’t ever keep it busy. It would simply make more sense to go to a local wood furniture workshop and have them run them off.

There are other options if metal is prefered. Laser Cut or Milling for example.

Kind regards
Sharp.

HUBA · Post by **HUBA** » Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:30 am

Sharp wrote:
Thanks for the reply. That's interesting. What is your profession if you don't mind me asking?
Began as an engineer building all manner of complex machines from Steel. Moved into Robotic and the Aerospace industry building parts for Jet Engines and CNC programming. These days I’m the head of Immersive Technologies in a company where I 3D model, prototype electronics and all manner of mad things.

And what would be your suggestion for type of business for requesting a project like this? I have no clue whatsoever about 3D printing besides an impression of the equipment being quite expensive if it can handle stuff much bigger than the size of a box of matches, so, I take it, not really for hobbyists quite yet(?)
As I mentioned in my last post, only very small numbers of people would be interested in these because it requires you to take your entire KRONOS apart to install them. So from a business point of view, it’s a horrible idea. The only way it may make any sense is if someone was to make end pieces for various different products.

3D printing is an option. It’s cheap, but slow. Ideal for prototyping or doing very tiny runs. I use 3D printers all the time for one off's and prototyping.

If wood is preferred, a CNC Router is the way to go. After the initially programming and deign for the machine, a CNC Router could pump out end pieces pretty darn quickly. One machine would do a few hundred in a day.

Given it’s ability to produce so many, it’s not worth even buying the machine as you wouldn’t ever keep it busy. It would simply make more sense to go to a local wood furniture workshop and have them run them off.

There are other options if metal is prefered. Laser Cut or Milling for example.

Kind regards
Sharp.

Wow that sounds like a great job

Like some Bob Lazar level type of thing. I'm a technical moron so anything beyond basic engine maintenance is practically science fiction to me.

Nah you're right, having to take the Kronos apart probably narrows the market quite a bit.

I'll probably try a local workshop for a wood solution to begin with. Ultimately I think 3D-printed plastic would be ideal, but aluminum could certainly be an option and might also make things easier for tracking down a service.