Samples as oscillators - envelopes and sustain looping

[JoyrexJ9]

I think I have one last question before I finally take the plunge and pick up an ES2.
Can I apply an attack & decay envelope to an sample, specifically one that is has a looped sustain part?

Say I sample a simple saw wave, and the sample has no envelope, it just starts & stops at same volume. I set a loop point so that I have made the saw-wave into an oscillator of sorts that can be played as long as I like with a key sustain.
However when I play it I want it to have a nice envelope, with a slow attack and decay. I this possible? Or do I need to sample it with the attack & decay in the sample.

Sorry for the long winded explanation, I don't know if there's a standard name for this feature on a sampler!

[sauce]

Can I apply an attack & decay envelope to an sample, specifically one that is has a looped sustain part?

Yes, but the sample must have a loop point to operate with a true amp envelope. Also, because the unit has "phony-poly" (paraphonic), each note in a poly part or chord will share a single envelope. It is infuriating.

[JoyrexJ9]

Can I apply an attack & decay envelope to an sample, specifically one that is has a looped sustain part?

Yes, but the sample must have a loop point to operate with a true amp envelope. Also, because the unit has "phony-poly" (paraphonic), each note in a poly part or chord will share a single envelope. It is infuriating.

Great!
I'm hoping to take samples from things like my MicroBrute and Ultranova, and do some of the sound design on the ES2. I don't mind setting loop points, but I will mind running back go my synths and resampling everytime I think "hmm I wish the decay was 200ms longer".

I don't think the paraphony issue will be a problem for me. Least I hope not.

[sauce]

It handles small-cycle waves fairly well, and you can definitely do some good work with it. If you get the unit, send me a pm and I will send you a huge amount of waves for it, that I personally made.

[apapdop]

When you switch the envelope on for a sample, it is ATTACK + DECAY ONLY!!! So its like hitting a piano key, the volume will eventually fade to zero. The decay parameter acts as a release time when you let go of the pad.
There is no sustain portion, regardless to whether the sample is looping or not. So, you can set a long attack and decay time to a looped sample, press and hold the pad, the volume will rise, then eventually fall to zero, even though the sample is looping and you are still holding the pad.

With a sample set to loop and the amp envelope switched OFF, the sample can sustain for as long as you hold the pad, but there will be no attack/decay portion.

[JoyrexJ9]

Ahhh damn, that's exactly what I was after!
As some of what I want it for is long but simple ambient sounds

Thanks for the info guys, I still think I'll pick one up, I've been thinking about it for far too long!

[Jiggins]

You do have extra amp enveleope functionality in the modulation section but it does mean you will lose the LFO. Motion sequencing is then your friend here.