Timbre specific sustain settings

Maristokeys · Post by **Maristokeys** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:40 pm

Hi guys!

I'm trying to figure out a way to sustain a pad sound in combi mode while playing piano using the damper freely. Currently my combi is setup so that the pad is set to one key in the high register and piano below that. I have to keep my damper pedal down which limits what I can play on the piano sound. In a Kurzweil I would access the layer specific pedal assignments but I'm not sure that's the way it works on a Kronos. Should I just tinker with the pad's EG so that it sustains once it's been played or can I somehow have the sustain always on in that one specific timbre? Thanks!

phattbuzz · Post by **phattbuzz** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:28 pm

I don't think you want to have a pad so the sustain is always on. A pad does not fade until you let go of a key (or the sustain pedal). If the sustain pedal is always down, that would mean that the sound never fades and keeps adding more notes. Try to change the EG instead so it fades slower. I think that's the effect you are actually after.

Maristokeys · Post by **Maristokeys** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:39 pm

I'm using the one pad note almost like a long ambient sample to create movement and a simple 'anchor' for the harmony and improvising on top of that. The piano is not layered with the pad. I can then fade the pad out with a slider.

Could I maybe trigger the sequencer to hold that one note?

phattbuzz wrote:I don't think you want to have a pad so the sustain is always on. A pad does not fade until you let go of a key (or the sustain pedal). If the sustain pedal is always down, that would mean that the sound never fades and keeps adding more notes. Try to change the EG instead so it fades slower. I think that's the effect you are actually after.

alland · Post by **alland** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:06 pm

You can use hold parameter to that timbre.
You can either alter timbre itself and set HOLD (PROG->Basic/vectoer->Program Basic->Key Zone and check Hold
Or you can also alter Hold parameter to particular timbre in COMBI mode using Tone Adjust (COMBI->Play->Control Surface->TONE ADJ. and assign [OSC1&2]Hold to one of the realtime buttons.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:30 am

Or use a matchbook...

Maristokeys · Post by **Maristokeys** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:17 pm

Perfect! I'll try this one out. Thanks! Also matchbook xD

alland wrote:You can use hold parameter to that timbre.
You can either alter timbre itself and set HOLD (PROG->Basic/vectoer->Program Basic->Key Zone and check Hold
Or you can also alter Hold parameter to particular timbre in COMBI mode using Tone Adjust (COMBI->Play->Control Surface->TONE ADJ. and assign [OSC1&2]Hold to one of the realtime buttons.

cyeutter · Post by **cyeutter** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:59 pm

Slightly off topic. In the pre-midi days, I often had the handles from plastic silverware lying on certain keys of my string machine and at the appropriate time would press the key, sliding the plastic forward to wedge the key down. Required no additional pedals or fingers. A single sustained string or pad sound can often work well through some passages.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:34 pm

I remember many years ago seeing a picture of Rick Wakeman's keyboard setup. On top of one of his keyboards he had what appeared to be a 2" X 4" board with screws in it. I hazard a guess it would placed on the keys on one of his keyboards (most likely his C3) with the screws facing down to actuate the keys. Never actually saw it in action, but I could see where something like this would work. You might be able to create something similar to this to accommodate your needs, Of course it would probably just need some slight modifications.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:22 pm

Here you go. It is just to the right of his mixer.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l-ra ... tail+3.jpg

IAA · Post by **IAA** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:02 pm

I love that picture of his rig, It was my dream rig!!

Kronos can do it all though.

Have you tried using karma to hold the pad- I use that a lot.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:20 pm

IAA wrote:I love that picture of his rig, It was my dream rig!!

Kronos can do it all though.

Have you tried using karma to hold the pad- I use that a lot.

got a reference for that KARMA hold?

IAA · Post by **IAA** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:17 am

http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/karma2:auto-sustain-notes

Ian

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:14 am

IAA wrote:http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/karma2:auto-sustain-notes

Ian

Thanks Ian.