Electribe Sampler 2 - review (of sorts)

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:56 pm

gizmoismogwai wrote:
supermel74 wrote:I'm still very tempted by the sampler version even though I already have an ESX. I think the E2 sampler would pair up well with my EM-1 to make a nice compact tabletop setup along with the KP3. The ability to take the sampler anywhere is a big plus too. I just wish they would fix most of the shortcomings and all of the "bugs"
I have both the E2S and the ESX and while I will make no claims about which is better, I have not touched my ESX since I got the E2S several weeks ago. My main method of working is slicing samples and then loading and playing them across the pads. Both units do this in a very similar way. So add onto that the fact that I can now play synths or chords on any part, and do this while sitting on my roof drinking a beer and I'm happy.

I'd estimate that I wished for the capability to make 8 bar patterns 20% of the time I'm working on the E2S. So I had to find workarounds (either use 2 patterns or use resampled loops in halftime). Other than that there isn't really anything I'm missing in terms of sheer music creation.

One last note - I have always planned to use it to sketch out songs before arranging and mixing in Ableton so the fact that it sometimes cuts off sounds when changing patterns is not a deal breaker. If you planned to perform entire songs live with pattern changes this would certainly be a serious consideration, though. Because it's definitely an issue. Keep in mind I'm not referring to any "gaps" between patterns - just things like hi hats or synth notes getting cut off if they attempt to carry over the pattern length. Some of my song ideas run into this issue and others don't. But then again, there is already video on youtube of someone successfully performing for people with it so it's not necessarily stopping anybody.

appreciate the perspective. I'm a sucker for samplers, Electribes and battery powered devices so there's really no way around at least test driving this thing.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:58 am

Ted3000 wrote: This is a forum for electribe users.

Where does it state one needs to own an E2 to post here? I don't think sauce has one either. Will you tell him to stop posting too? Are you the forum police?

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:20 pm

The Troll Dictionary

Censorship: When people react negatively being told to shut up.
Ad Hominem Attack: When people react negatively to insults.
Policing: When someone questions a troll's purpose.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:27 pm

dutchcow wrote: And I hope I have prevented some people from giving Korg their money beef the product is finished. Then my mission has been a success

Why have you made it your mission to try to stop people from buying this unit? There are loads of people out there loving it, making good music on it, why spend your time trying to stop people from potentially having that experience? If the worst comes to the worst and they hate it as much as you then they can always return it.

22tape · Post by **22tape** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:04 pm

For me, since the new sampler doesn't have any sort of song mode and the sample tails cut off, I really can't use it as anything more than a sketchpad. This isn't a bad thing necessarily, but at $399 + tax and shipping, it's hard for me to justify buying yet another sketchpad. Personally, I would have gladly paid $600-$700 dollars for a proper ESX-2 sampling workstation.

True, $399 isn't much, but for me, that price vs. functionality is sort of no-man's land. The Volca Sample hits more of a sweet spot for a sampling sketchpad but, alas, it doesn't sample!

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:16 pm

According to Dutchcow, he's not trolling, stalking or pointlessly grinding an axe. He's performing a noble service to fence-sitters who have not decided about the e2 and es2.

His mission is entirely selfless - like throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of others.

He's the Batman of saying a groovebox sucks. Actually, he's as brave as 2 Batmen, since he's delivering his sermons exclusively from within the corrupt den of Korg enthusiasts - the Korg Forums.

As long as one of these lemons are in stock somewhere, Dutchcow will be there to let us know how stupid we are to enjoy them. It might be a doomed fight, but that only makes him more heroic.

22tape · Post by **22tape** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:20 pm

Ted, looking at the majority of flame-wars on this board, you're front and center. Mirror, dude.

Mulldoon219 · Post by **Mulldoon219** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:07 pm

22tape wrote: The Volca Sample hits more of a sweet spot for a sampling sketchpad but, alas, it doesn't sample!

Yeah that was kind of a swing and a miss, wasn't it.

Still a nice little box for $160 -- just loading new samples in a little convoluted vs. just being able to run a line in.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:21 pm

Mulldoon219 wrote:
22tape wrote: The Volca Sample hits more of a sweet spot for a sampling sketchpad but, alas, it doesn't sample!
Yeah that was kind of a swing and a miss, wasn't it. Still a nice little box for $160 -- just loading new samples in a little convoluted vs. just being able to run a line in.

a line in on the volca sample would be nice but using an ipad with Caustic Editor makes sampling and sample editing a very easy and streamlined process.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:24 pm

Ted3000 wrote:According to Dutchcow, he's not trolling.

he's not trolling. If people don't voice their complaints and voice them repeatedly Korg will never fix the issues and shortcomings with these new "electribes" Bad reviews and slow sales might be what it takes for Korg to take action.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:00 am

Trolling on or not Ted, you keep ignoring arguments and only respond selectively. Which is fine, but makes for a crappy argument/debate. Also you say that since I don't own a box right now I have no right to talk about it. But it seems to only apply on me. Sauce has no E2, will you tell him his option does't matter cuz he doesn't own one and should't post here?

And I'm sorry if I hurt your feeling by calling you the forum police, but you act like it when you tell me I can't post cuz I don't own the E2 or that my opinion isn't valid since. That's pretty weak; you can't retort to my arguments so you play it on the person in question. Guess you never joined a debate club, because that is called ad hominem. Attacking the person rather than his arguments. A very weak move. As if my arguments become less valid once you attack me as person.

If you don't like me warning people, then don't read my posts. It is not that hard. My point still stands too, either the DSP is too weak and you're all stuck with a lemon, or the software is written so badly the firmware needs a complete overhaul.

Call me spoiled but when I buy a box with 16 parts, I expect to be able to use thoe 16 parts. And not suffer from voice stealing after using 6-8 parts. Also I don't expect pops and clicks, I don't expect to lose features from previous models (which I do own btw), to me the E2 is a step backwards. I'm sorry my opinion differs from yours Ted and others. But I am still going to voice it.

The E2 in its current form is a lemon. There are simply too many flaws and bugs to call this finished product and chances are it will never be fully finished because the list is simply too long. Anyone giving their money to Korg is agreeing with Korgs silence strategy. Nobody knows what Korg will fix, or if they fix anything. All we have is James Pullen. Very professional indeed.

I rather give my money to another company.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:57 pm

dutchcow wrote:It is not that hard.

thesigma · Post by **thesigma** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:32 pm

Ted3000 wrote:
sauce wrote: Higher quality than what? Emu's Z-Plane filters (from the 90's) put the holy hurt on the E2/ES2 filters.

That thing is a straight up ROMpler.

SO WHAT? it still Kills!

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:20 pm

supermel74 wrote:
Ted3000 wrote:According to Dutchcow, he's not trolling.
he's not trolling. If people don't voice their complaints and voice them repeatedly Korg will never fix the issues and shortcomings with these new "electribes" Bad reviews and slow sales might be what it takes for Korg to take action.

People voicing their complaints on this forum won't fix anything though. The only way Korg will look into any issues is if people send them a direct email. Even though this forum is hosted by Korg, it is in no way linked to their customer service department.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:47 pm

Re-Member wrote:
supermel74 wrote:
Ted3000 wrote:According to Dutchcow, he's not trolling.
he's not trolling. If people don't voice their complaints and voice them repeatedly Korg will never fix the issues and shortcomings with these new "electribes" Bad reviews and slow sales might be what it takes for Korg to take action.
People voicing their complaints on this forum won't fix anything though. The only way Korg will look into any issues is if people send them a direct email. Even though this forum is hosted by Korg, it is in no way linked to their customer service department.

it will spread the word of the issues and strange limitations these boxes suffer from and hopefully hurt sales and Korg's reputation which is probably what it will take for them to actually right the ship.