Newbie Karma Key Zone Question

[Steve Mc]

Hopefully this isn't a really silly question although I do have a suspicion that there might be a really simple answer that I have missed in the manuals.

I want to set Karma with an arpeggiator to the lower part of the keyboard and plain notes for the upper part. I have tried this in program mode, and when I activate Karma, set for the lower keyboard zone only, I lose the sound in the upper part. Can this be done within a program?

I then thought if I set up a combi with two instances of the program, one with Karma and set for the lower part, and one without Karma and set for the top part, this would achieve it, but Karma wants to activate on all of them.

I managed to set up two Karma channels, one for the lower and one for the upper, and then trim down what Karma was doing on the upper part, but it still manages to pick up chords from multiple key presses, so still affects playing.

I have then found the following on another similar subject so wondered if I should set up the second Karma covering the upper with this method, and is this the best way to do it, or is there a much simpler way?

Not needed. It's possible to make some of the internal GEs do "nothing". Here, this seems to work the way you want:

In the INIT combi that I mentioned above, you set:
KARMA Module A: GE 2044 RT Melodic Repeat
KARMA GE Setup Page: Module A Input Channel 2, Output Channel 9
KARMA On, Latch Off.
Important: on the KARMA > Trigger Page, turn off the checkbox for "Control > Quantize Trig".
Now, if you play a note (on the external controller), you will get some repeated notes of different pitches on the external device.
Go to the KARMA GE (0-6) Page, and in Module A's layer, set Slider 5 "Repeat Repetitions" to 0, thereby shutting off any repeated notes.
Now it simply functions as a thru - and plays the external device from the external controller.

Any advice or comment much appreciated. Thanks.

[tomto66]

It's easy with a Combi. If you want 2 different sounds (which I assume is what you are trying to do ?) you'd do that with a combi. Top part of the keybd is not karmafied (you play), bottom part controlled by Karma. You'd do that with a keyboard split, op guide page 64, to set up the 2 timbres.

[Steve Mc]

I thought it would need a combi. I managed to set up a combi with the same program to timbre 1 and timbre 2 in combi mode, set up key zone for timbre 1 to the lower half, and key zone for timbre 2 to the upper zone, imported Karma against timbre 1 only, but it still appears to want to activate Karma on both key zones, or if I set the Karma zone to only the lower half, it mutes the upper half.

I must just be doing something wrong. Will work through the Op Guide as you suggest, and see if it does detail the assigning or not of Karma to different timbres.

Thanks for coming back so quick.

[QuiRobinez]

Hi Steve,

all your questions (and a lot more) are covered in my combi introduction tutorial.

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[StephenKay]

You can split KARMA in a program, too.

What you do is: on the KARMA GE Setup page, you set the Module Key Zone to say C-1 to B3 (the bottom part of the keyboard). Then you turn on the "Thru Out Zone" checkbox, so that the notes in the upper area (outside the zone) are sent thru.

[tomto66]

Steve, Qui's videos are excellent. But to give you a nudge in the right direction: you not only set the key zone for the timbres, but you also need to set the zone for the Karma GE. P 470 in the parameter guide. With that you set control for your arpeggiator to the bottom zone of the keybd. If you're using an arpeggiator, it's still possible that the GE generates notes higher than your Karma key zone (which only controls which part of the keybd steers Karma - that does not guarantee Karma will only generate notes in that zone). Typically you'll find a slider in the real time controls that defines the range of generated notes in your arpeggiator - you may need to turn that slider down. You'll find that under the play tab/ Control Surface. Select the karma module you're using. and you should see the slider that controls the note range (not @ my Kronos right now so can't tell you exact label).

Qui's videos are easier to grasp than my above explanation though

[Steve Mc]

Stephen,

That's the one magic tick box I was looking for. Just tested and perfect. Many, many thanks.

That's Jean Michel Jarre's Rendezvous IV sorted! Simple one octave up arpeggiator for the bottom half and straight notes for the top.

And can I just add, Karma really is awesome!!! Thanks.