Using Logic 9 as External sequencer with Kronos

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:11 am

I'm hoping that someone will be able to help me with this. I've looked around the internet as well as through Korg's documentation to get this to work and I haven't found a way.

What I'm looking for: I want to use logic as my MIDI master to slave the Kronos to it. I want to be able to send MIDI to 16 different Kronos tracks and eventually be able to bounce those regions to audio.

What I've done: I've attempted to add external MIDI tracks to Logic's arrange page, selecting the Kronos in the port drop-down and setting individual MIDI channels as well. I've done this both with and without the Kronos sequencer and neither produces any sound.

The closest I've gotten is to open up a software instrument track, set the insert as external instrument where I designate the Kronos across all MIDI channels on the insert settings, then duplicate the tracks and change the channel settings 1-16 to match up with the programs selected in Kronos's sequencer. This works up to a point; I can get individual programs to play back their designated sounds but I don't get individual control over the arrange tracks in order to mute or solo. They either all mute or all solo. This seems to be because the external instrument insert has a MIDI setting set to "ALL", but changing the channel of one insert changes every channel to match it. I thought I could get around this by just muting the midi regions, but I quickly found out that none of the MIDI regions will bounce their output to audio. A new audio track gets created, but the new audio region has nothing recorded to it.

If anyone has used this set up successfully or knows someone who has, I would greatly appreciate a little bit of help on this one.

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:23 am

It IS possible, Best is to use a Combi. set midichannels to 1-16 and save it as a starting template for sequencing with Logic.
For Logic you could try my template song i posted in tje other Logic 9 topic below. Kronos factory program names are provided here by two Multiinstruments.

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:34 am

Hi Bob,

I took a look at your song template. All of the external MIDI channels that you have set up are the same ones that I cannot get to make a sound, either in Combi or Seq mode. MIDI is being sent from the Kronos to Logic but isn't making its way back to trigger sounds.

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:12 am

I've also figured out that the external midi tracks 1-16 will work once I instantiate a software instrument track with Kronos on the input. But if I mute the software instrument track and the external midi tracks will all mute as well.

If anyone uses a Kronos usb b to logic pro 9 and can send me a song template that works for them, it prove helpful.

joeydiamondz · Post by **joeydiamondz** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:36 am

I'm in the same boat my friend, I am actually about to download Bob's Multiinstrument right now so I can see if that is what I needed in order to fully create records using Kronos sounds on logic as an external sequencer.

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:09 am

I will post my question to logic's forum too

joeydiamondz · Post by **joeydiamondz** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:19 pm

Bro I will appreciate it if you keep me posted, I am also I'm the same situation as you. My email is thejoeydiamondz@gmail.com or obviously can message me thru here, thanks man!

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:23 pm

joeydiamondz wrote:download Bob's Multiinstrument right now so I can see if that is what I needed in order to fully create records using Kronos sounds on logic as an external sequencer.

Communication between Kronos and Logic must work with or without these Multiinstruments, they do nothing special regarding the basic midi-communication. That normaly works like plug and play.

So you recorded a sequence on a miditrack with Kronos and when you hit playback you don't hear anything, is that right?

Does your KRONOS show up in the MacOS Audio-Midi-Setup and did you run a test there for midi in/out?

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:16 pm

So you recorded a sequence on a miditrack with Kronos and when you hit playback you don't hear anything, is that right?

That's correct. I don't think the midi is getting back to the Kronos for some reason, although I was able to get midi to flow both ways using standard midi cabling from the Kronos to my audio interface. I then hooked up 1/4" cables from the Kronos to my interface and monitored the input in a logo audio track. This works fine with the external instrument tracks, but I'd really like to figure out a way to make this set-up work as I've seen in a youtube video, with external instrument tracks across 16 channels with audio coming from the usb.

I've gone through the midi setup window in MacOS and everything looks good.

Any ideas?

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:42 pm

I see that Logic is sending midi out to the Kronos, and even that the level meter on the Kronos's sequencer page is showing signal playback but I still cannot hear anything!

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:51 pm

Basically what I've deduced is that if I don't hook up 1/4" cables to feed the audio back into my interface, then the audio signal is staying in the Kronos and not being transmitted through usb.

bobmusic · Post by **bobmusic** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:13 am

Grokingout wrote:Basically what I've deduced is that if I don't hook up 1/4" cables to feed the audio back into my interface, then the audio signal is staying in the Kronos and not being transmitted through usb.

USB-Audio from Kronos AUDIO-interface is only transmitted if you select Kronos as your AUDIO-Device in LOGiC preferences. If you use an external audio-interface with Logic then only Midi is transmited through Kronos USB. In this case you need of course an analog or digital audio connection between Kronos and your external audio interface.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:31 am

As BobMusic says you need to select the USB audio device in Logic.

You can also create an aggregate device that contains your normal audio interface and the USB interface on the Kronos: http://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202000

Grokingout · Post by **Grokingout** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:45 pm

So, I should set the Kronos as the input and create an aggregate multi-output that includes the Kronos and my MOTU Ultralite? Or should I be creating aggregate devices for both the input and output? And once I've created an aggregate device in MacOS do I need to do any further setup aside from designating the devices in Logic's recording preferences?

Thanks

pedro5 · Post by **pedro5** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:43 pm

Although I don't know anything about your other devices,nor Logic,so I can't help you with that part.
However, I would suggest you set up both inputs and outputs as aggregate devices in the same list.
Then it's easier to select in other places,as "Aggregate" in Logic and the mac System Preferences / Sound applet etc.

Have the Kronos on and connected up,together with Logic,then go from there.

Depending on which mac and osx you have, some problems with the aggregate settings may appear,initially,but there is a workaround with that,if needed.
Try it first,then let us know if any snags occur,especially with the audio parts.

Once everything is set up,a quick check can be made via the System Preferences….Sound input/output which should show aggregate for both.