My 2014 tribe 2....General ! Bloggish !

[Glitchcraft]

Could you tell us more about the sounds? Samples, synths and fx? Do you think the Electribe 2 offers more options than an EMX?

NO ! & furthermore, having tried the new machine, if i was presented with a brand new unit of each & told i could only pick one... Yup, i'd have the blue one.

Ditto.

[Re-Member]

I believe that whatever you have recorded as an event can only be played back & live tweaked, no further recording of edits. In theory then you could play back you pattern set & record it as an event, then play the event back but that event is set in stone as a recording.

My question was about what happens if you make changes to the Pattern Set buttons if they were used along with the Event Recorder. This feature is listed on page 11 of the manual.

Here's an experiment to try that would answer both our questions specifically:

1. Use the Pattern Set buttons to set up patterns 1, 2, 3 and 4 on pads 1, 2, 3 and 4.
2. Turn on the Event Record and use the Pattern Set buttons again to trigger those four patterns in a row with the pads, then press stop to save the file.
3. Play back the Event file and confirm that patterns 1 through 4 will play back in sequence automatically.
4. Next use the Pattern Set buttons and set up patterns 5 through 8 on to pads 1 to 4.
5. Play back the Event file a second time. Do patterns 1 through 4 still play in sequence, or is it changed to play patterns 5 through 8 instead?

Now for solving Ted3000's question (which I'm curious about as well):

1. Select Pattern 2, then turn on the Event Recorder.
2. Allow Pattern 2 to loop about three times, then press stop to save the Event file.
3. Select Pattern 2 again and change which waveforms are being used for each part, then save the Pattern.
4. Load the Event Recorder file you used with pattern 2 and confirm whether or not the changes to the waveforms you saved are also applied when you play back this file.

Thanks in advance. I know this all seems a bit too much to ask, but the manual really doesn't explain any of these situations. The Event Recorder is the only alternative to the lack of Song Mode, but so far no one really seems to be interested in exploring it any further.

[DrHoo]

I believe that whatever you have recorded as an event can only be played back & live tweaked, no further recording of edits. In theory then you could play back you pattern set & record it as an event, then play the event back but that event is set in stone as a recording.

My question was about what happens if you make changes to the Pattern Set buttons if they were used along with the Event Recorder. This feature is listed on page 11 of the manual.

Here's an experiment to try that would answer both our questions specifically:

1. Use the Pattern Set buttons to set up patterns 1, 2, 3 and 4 on pads 1, 2, 3 and 4.
2. Turn on the Event Record and use the Pattern Set buttons again to trigger those four patterns in a row with the pads, then press stop to save the file.
3. Play back the Event file and confirm that patterns 1 through 4 will play back in sequence automatically.
4. Next use the Pattern Set buttons and set up patterns 5 through 8 on to pads 1 to 4.
5. Play back the Event file a second time. Do patterns 1 through 4 still play in sequence, or is it changed to play patterns 5 through 8 instead?

Now for solving Ted3000's question (which I'm curious about as well):

1. Select Pattern 2, then turn on the Event Recorder.
2. Allow Pattern 2 to loop about three times, then press stop to save the Event file.
3. Select Pattern 2 again and change which waveforms are being used for each part, then save the Pattern.
4. Load the Event Recorder file you used with pattern 2 and confirm whether or not the changes to the waveforms you saved are also applied when you play back this file.

Thanks in advance. I know this all seems a bit too much to ask, but the manual really doesn't explain any of these situations. The Event Recorder is the only alternative to the lack of Song Mode, but so far no one really seems to be interested in exploring it any further.

Leave it with me, i'll get back.

[MatGreGor]

I believe that whatever you have recorded as an event can only be played back & live tweaked, no further recording of edits. In theory then you could play back you pattern set & record it as an event, then play the event back but that event is set in stone as a recording.

My question was about what happens if you make changes to the Pattern Set buttons if they were used along with the Event Recorder. This feature is listed on page 11 of the manual.

Here's an experiment to try that would answer both our questions specifically:

1. Use the Pattern Set buttons to set up patterns 1, 2, 3 and 4 on pads 1, 2, 3 and 4.
2. Turn on the Event Record and use the Pattern Set buttons again to trigger those four patterns in a row with the pads, then press stop to save the file.
3. Play back the Event file and confirm that patterns 1 through 4 will play back in sequence automatically.
4. Next use the Pattern Set buttons and set up patterns 5 through 8 on to pads 1 to 4.
5. Play back the Event file a second time. Do patterns 1 through 4 still play in sequence, or is it changed to play patterns 5 through 8 instead?

Now for solving Ted3000's question (which I'm curious about as well):

1. Select Pattern 2, then turn on the Event Recorder.
2. Allow Pattern 2 to loop about three times, then press stop to save the Event file.
3. Select Pattern 2 again and change which waveforms are being used for each part, then save the Pattern.
4. Load the Event Recorder file you used with pattern 2 and confirm whether or not the changes to the waveforms you saved are also applied when you play back this file.

Thanks in advance. I know this all seems a bit too much to ask, but the manual really doesn't explain any of these situations. The Event Recorder is the only alternative to the lack of Song Mode, but so far no one really seems to be interested in exploring it any further.

Experiment 1 - Nothing changes, the first patterns still recorded

Experiment 2 - Nothing changes, the same sounds still recorded

[DrHoo]

Exactly, it's set in stone. The event recorder is literally what it says in its name. If you recorded a pattern playing & changed the wave during recording that would be a recorded event. It's nothing more than a recorder in the same way as me holding a mic in front of the speaker... What's on tape is all you get.

[Olivander12]

Exactly, it's set in stone. The event recorder is literally what it says in its name. If you recorded a pattern playing & changed the wave during recording that would be a recorded event. It's nothing more than a recorder in the same way as me holding a mic in front of the speaker... What's on tape is all you get.

Does it record the main volume as well?

[sauce]

(Actually i prefer the esx1 but that's a different game)

Yep.. ..and as many people here know, I spent *years* getting to know the ESX in a way that I came up with brand new, groundbreaking ways to use the machine, ways that were not even dreamed up by the developers themselves. The Korg rep told me to my face that I had blown then ESX developer's minds, that they were "studying" my videos for inspiration for new products. Well, they should have given me a call then, because limiting patterns to four bars basically ruins everything. Add to that an audio hiccup when changing patterns, and we have a unit that is unusable in the way the ESX was. I will be stoked to have a sample-based synth engine with high-quality effects and polyphony, but it will be slaved to the clock of my ESX, and I will not be changing any patterns.

[DrHoo]

(Actually i prefer the esx1 but that's a different game)

Yep.. ..and as many people here know, I spent *years* getting to know the ESX in a way that I came up with brand new, groundbreaking ways to use the machine, ways that were not even dreamed up by the developers themselves. The Korg rep told me to my face that I had blown then ESX developer's minds, that they were "studying" my videos for inspiration for new products. Well, they should have given me a call then, because limiting patterns to four bars basically ruins everything. Add to that an audio hiccup when changing patterns, and we have a unit that is unusable in the way the ESX was. I will be stoked to have a sample-based synth engine with high-quality effects and polyphony, but it will be slaved to the clock of my ESX, and I will not be changing any patterns.

There's no audio hiccup with my tribe & i didn't gripe about the 4 bars. Having said that, i would have preferred 8 bars like hold on, 16 even !!! But it's not ! As for the esx, i wrote so many full length recordings on the thing that i lost count & i wish the new tribe had song mode, i really genuinely do. This new tribe, it just doesn't have the interface. The esx was the best imo & i was hoping for a next generation one day but alas, so far no good.... On the other hand, could this new tribe be a number 2 MK1 in a new series ? The question beckons.

[Re-Member]

Experiment 1 - Nothing changes, the first patterns still recorded

Experiment 2 - Nothing changes, the same sounds still recorded

Thanks! The answer to Experiment 2 leads to one more question. This could be the major game changer here, haha...

What happens to the event playback file if you end up deleting or initializing the patterns being played after they are used with the Event Recorder? For example, with the Event Recorder turned on, you chain patterns 1 to 4 in a row, save the event file, then wipe out those patterns and program something entirely different onto them? Does the event file still play everything you previously had?

If the Event Recorder file still somehow saves all that original data, this would actually be really great news. It would mean you could dedicate all 250 patterns to an entire song, chain them all in a row while using the Event Recorder, save your song into one event file, clear the patterns and then repeat the process again for the next song.

[Re-Member]

Exactly, it's set in stone. The event recorder is literally what it says in its name. If you recorded a pattern playing & changed the wave during recording that would be a recorded event. It's nothing more than a recorder in the same way as me holding a mic in front of the speaker... What's on tape is all you get.

I know it is meant for recording real time events, but the reason I'm asking these weird questions is because the Roland Grooveboxes function much differently. Any changes you make to the individual patterns also effect how the sequencer plays back the patterns in Song Mode. In fact, if you delete a pattern that was used in Song Mode, the sequencer ends up skipping that portion of the song entirely.

With the new Electribe, it sounds like it actually transfers all the pattern data into one self-contained file when you use the Event Recorder. Even if you can't edit this file, this would be still good news to me if you could clear out every pattern while keeping your event playback file intact.

[bingkingbo]

question:

i only know we can save and export patterns in Ableton Live format, but can we read and import .als file in electribe2?

[sauce]

There's no audio hiccup with my tribe

Nice..! Did the update remove the tendency for the Insert Effects to cut themselves short between patterns? That's fantastic, and represents a major move forward..

The esx was the best

Legendary, even. I think the ESX represents the very best price/performance ratio for any piece of hardware in the history of electronic music. (Software is another story)

[Tarekith]

question:

i only know we can save and export patterns in Ableton Live format, but can we read and import .als file in electribe2?

Nope.

[DrHoo]

Experiment 1 - Nothing changes, the first patterns still recorded

Experiment 2 - Nothing changes, the same sounds still recorded

Thanks! The answer to Experiment 2 leads to one more question. This could be the major game changer here, haha...

What happens to the event playback file if you end up deleting or initializing the patterns being played after they are used with the Event Recorder? For example, with the Event Recorder turned on, you chain patterns 1 to 4 in a row, save the event file, then wipe out those patterns and program something entirely different onto them? Does the event file still play everything you previously had?

If the Event Recorder file still somehow saves all that original data, this would actually be really great news. It would mean you could dedicate all 250 patterns to an entire song, chain them all in a row while using the Event Recorder, save your song into one event file, clear the patterns and then repeat the process again for the next song.

The event is indeed stored in a folder & the folder structure is the same as windows to look at. Even via the tribes display. I'll try your idea out later.

[DrHoo]

OK Re-Member ... So i played a pattern set of 4 patterns & event recorded that. 200 - 201 - 202 - 204... 4 different sounding patterns.

saved the event, initialised the 4 patterns so all data went back to standard.... Played back the event recording & it contained everything. All 4 of the original patterns were present.