Problems setting up some effects

[cufc74]

What a great site this is! Hopefully someone can help me with my latest set of problems.

1. Is it possible to set up the Korg so that when I press a key (say C two octaves above middle C) two notes will sound - ie middle C and the original C two octaves above. I really need this for Arco strings. (I have Karo strings and am thinking of buying Legendary Strings as well).

2. I also need strings with a whole step trill and also a half step trill. Is it possible to buy this effect? I can't manually trill these notes as I'm playing other instruments in different registers.

3. Finally how can I get a triggered harp glissando? I need to be able to play a note (say f below middle C) so that it triggers a D major glissando.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mastering what this keyboard is capable of will take me years. Thanks goodness for this site!

[metallo]

For the 1st question, you can definitively and easly do it with a combination.
You can layer the same sound and putting them in different octaves....don't have my kronos in here atm but have a look at the manual (combinations section) and it is very well explained...it is also in the quick guide if I remember well.

[StephenKay]

For the 1st question, you can definitively and easly do it with a combination.
You can layer the same sound and putting them in different octaves....don't have my kronos in here atm but have a look at the manual (combinations section) and it is very well explained...it is also in the quick guide if I remember well.

It's on the Timbre Params > Pitch Tab > Transpose. Just put two timbres on the same MIDI channel (Timbre Params > MIDI), then transpose one of them.

[cufc74]

Great! - I've managed to master the first problem! Thanks for your ideas and for pointing out where to look in the manual.

I'm now trying to solve the second problem re. trilling in half and whole steps on strings. Legendary strings has individual violins trilling but I really need string sections trilling. The blurb with legendary strings (I've not bought it yet but the sounds seem very good) seems to suggest that it's possible to use 'intricate combinations of multisamples and Wave Sequences to create tremolo and trill effects....?'

Has anyone any idea how this is done? Can it be done using Karo strings as well which I've already bought? Is it straightforward?

As for question number 3 about harp glisses, is it possible to sample these on the Korg?

Thanks for any help.

[ronnfigg]

For #2- trills. In Program Mode, set up the LFO to modulate pitch using a square wave. You can then fine tune the amount to create a half or whole step trill. There might be options to do both and use an Alternate Modulation Source to choose between the different trills.

[LZ]

For bothe trills and glissando, you could use either step sequencer or RPPR

[cufc74]

I think I can make do and manually perform the trills but I'm still stuck on the Harp gliss triggered from a note on the keyboard during live performance...will have a look at the step sequencer/RPPR but the manual is very technical - has anyone got any pointers as to how this can be achieved?

[SanderXpander]

Hopefully Stephen will see this - the original red Karma had a great arpeggiating effect on the default acoustic piano preset that triggered from aftertouch, following the chord that was being held. I used it for a harp gliss once by copying it to a harp preset and modifying it slightly.

Stephen, do you recall if there is a similarly setup KGE in the Kronos?

[HardSync]

Hopefully Stephen will see this - the original red Karma had a great arpeggiating effect on the default acoustic piano preset that triggered from aftertouch, following the chord that was being held. I used it for a harp gliss once by copying it to a harp preset and modifying it slightly.

Stephen, do you recall if there is a similarly setup KGE in the Kronos?

I'm not Stephen, but there are some preset gliss GEs in the arpgeggiator group worth investigating:

LongGliss-Abs
LongGliss-Rel

On my M3, these are numbers 105 & 106. Probably the same or thereabouts on the Kronos (I recall reading that some of the GE numbers were changed, but I don't know which). But really, you can use many of the standard Arps if you mess around with the melodic repeats and note ranges.

There are also other Gliss GEs (numbers might be different in the Kronos):

Gliss Down 1 (#180)
Gliss Down 2 (#266)
Gliss Down then Up (#267)


To get them to trigger by aftertouch, you need to adjust the GE's Trigger setting to Dyn (Dynamic MIDI) on the GE Trigger page.

Next make the corresponding connection on the Dynamic MIDI page. Find any unused Dynamic Midi slot, set the Source to Aftertouch, and set the Action to Momentary, and set the Destination to Trigger Notes.

Turn on KARMA, and give it whirl. You can now adjust the real time settings to taste. Also, to adjust the sensitivity of the Aftertouch, e.g. to make it not trigger notes until you've pressed the keys much harder, on the Dynamic MIDI page, set the Bottom value to a higher number, such as 64 (middle point) or 90 for a harder press before triggering.

[ed_f]

There are also other Gliss GEs (numbers might be different in the Kronos):

Gliss Down 1 (#180) = #177
Gliss Down 2 (#266) = #263
Gliss Down then Up (#267) = #264

I added Kronos numbers in bold

[HardSync]

I added Kronos numbers in bold

Thanks!

[cufc74]

Found the long gliss 0103 on the arpeggio - it's just what I need and I can alter the speed etc. and play it from the set list menu However it seems to need me to play a triad to play the arpeggio - if I just hit one key it plays an arpeggio on that note - ie just the same note up and down the octaves.
What I really need to do it play an F# below middle C so that it triggers a D major arpeggio whilst my other fingers on both hands are playing warm strings - I haven't any fingers left to form a triad...any ideas how to achieve this?
While I'm here is there a decent rock organ with a mod. wheel on the Kronos - is it possible to use the joystick to create the same effect?
Finally the disco effect on violins where they play the note then immediately fall off it (gliss down I suppose) - can that be done with the joy stick?
Many thanks for your replies - I really appreciate your time and help.

[HardSync]

Found the long gliss 0103 on the arpeggio - it's just what I need and I can alter the speed etc. and play it from the set list menu However it seems to need me to play a triad to play the arpeggio - if I just hit one key it plays an arpeggio on that note - ie just the same note up and down the octaves.
What I really need to do it play an F# below middle C so that it triggers a D major arpeggio whilst my other fingers on both hands are playing warm strings - I haven't any fingers left to form a triad...any ideas how to achieve this?

Maybe. It really depends on what your left hand is doing, the KARMA input zone, and a few other things like whether you'll be playing other notes/chords and need a gliss or only for that one note. But not knowing how all that is currently set up and what your exact plans are, one GE parameter comes to mind: Note Series: Note Type. This is assigned to KARMA Switch 2 for the module (note, not the master layer, but the module layer -- I know that makes no sense probably, but bear with me).

I wrote a tutorial about this one GE Parameter here: http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/karma2:kar ... :note-type but this is probably more than you want to know. Still worth reading over though for future reference.

So, you're in your combi. Turn on KARMA. Go to the PLAY > KARMA GE tab (pg 424 in Parameter Guide for ref).

Now, press the MODULE CONTROL SWITCH on the Kronos and select Module A (presume this is where the Gliss GE is -- if not, choose the correct module for your Gliss GE).

Now turn on KARMA switch 2. You can do this from the screen or on the control surface.

Play only your F# below middle C and you should now hear it using a scale to generate the notes. But it won't sound right in concert with the other notes you will be playing, because it's basing the scale on a F# major. (You can try playing the left-hand chord as you will be and see if it sounds OK -- if it does, then you can probably skip some of the instructions below).

So, how to fix that? You have a couple of options. The simplest, easiest way -- if you're only going to gliss with that note and no others -- is to transpose the the Gliss GE down 4 semitones. You do this on the Combi P7: KARMA > Control Screen (pg 477). Adjust it down here. A much better way is using Chord Recognition, either from what your left hand is playing or your right hand and with Root Position turned on. If we need to cover that later, we can.

One last thing you may want to do is limit the input zone for the Gliss to only the F# note. Do that on P7: KARMA > GE Setup/KeyZones screen (pg 472). Select the Zone Btm field, hold down the ENTER key on the Kronos, and then press your F# below middle C key. Do this again for the Zone top field. This will limit the input to only that F# note. So other notes on the keyboard won't cause a gliss effect in the wrong key.

Of course, if you want to gliss in other scales, well that's a different thing entirely. And these instructions will only be partly useful.

[hois68]

I use RPPR for my harp gliss...I recorded it live over a 2 octave range then assigned it to the low C# to trigger it (in sequence mode of course) I'm pretty sure I found a youtube tutorial to walk me through - but from what I remember it wasn't terribly complicated...

[StephenKay]

Hopefully Stephen will see this - the original red Karma had a great arpeggiating effect on the default acoustic piano preset that triggered from aftertouch, following the chord that was being held. I used it for a harp gliss once by copying it to a harp preset and modifying it slightly.

Stephen, do you recall if there is a similarly setup KGE in the Kronos?

I don't think there is one set up like that for you, but you can trigger *any* GE by aftertouch using Dynamic MIDI, as someone else pointed out. You just need to go to the Trigger tab, and set the Note Trigger parameter to "DYN" (for Dynamic MIDI) so that it doesn't trigger when you play the keyboard, and then assign Dynamic MIDI to Trigger Notes & Envelopes. You use the Min/Max in the Dynamic MIDI page to set the threshold at which you want the aftertouch to kick it in.