Best way of using .wav backing tracks

fjs714 · Post by **fjs714** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:01 pm

Qui,
The option you mentioned "play in the screen" How do you access that? Is it a pull down or are there any options at the bottom of the Kronos screen?
Thanks

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:07 pm

fjs714 wrote:Qui,
The option you mentioned "play in the screen" How do you access that? Is it a pull down or are there any options at the bottom of the Kronos screen?
Thanks

That is not the name of the option and is a bit confusing as written.

What happens is, if you have wav files on your disk, and you go to disk mode.
You have a button ON your screen called "Play" if you have one of those wav files selected.

So in disk mode, select a wav file. You will see a button on screen "Play" , press it and you will here the selected .wav file. It is basically a preview button.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:00 pm

fjs714 wrote:Qui,
The option you mentioned "play in the screen" How do you access that? Is it a pull down or are there any options at the bottom of the Kronos screen?
Thanks

ed_f is right, the word in should be the word on. So it's the Play button on the screen (after selecting the wav file)

so the steps are:
- press the program button and select your preset the you want to play
- press the disk button
- press the load tab
- select the wav file
- press the green play button at the bottom on the screen

fjs714 · Post by **fjs714** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:31 pm

Thanks very much guys.

I knew about that "play" button. I just couldn't coordinate "..Who's On First and What's on second"

You younger guys will never get that reference

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:50 pm

Personally, I really prefer using Mainstage for this. Or Ableton Live, depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. If I'm after a backing track (or after backing tracks) that are already arranged, everyone knows where chorus, bridge, etc. is, then I prefer Mainstage. But if I want to have some freedom to repeat choruses and/or play around with song parts, then Live is a much better tool for that.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 am

fjs714 wrote:Thanks very much guys.

I knew about that "play" button. I just couldn't coordinate "..Who's On First and What's on second"

You younger guys will never get that reference

I got it "Lou"

mad_musician · Post by **mad_musician** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:09 pm

unfortunately Mainstage and Live aren't really in my arsenal of weapons to use live lol

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:13 pm

mad_musician wrote:unfortunately Mainstage and Live aren't really in my arsenal of weapons to use live lol

That's understandable

And to be quite honest, it takes a s**tload of practice to get all of that up and running and to feel comfortable with them.

That being said, I love using Mainstage for stuff like that. I alwas prepare a click-track for my drummer when I'm using backing tracks, so that my drummer can have a constant reference. If you have a decent drummer and he/she's able to play along, everything will be cool.

I had a show on Friday, we did two tracks like that (Personal Jesus, Thriller) and it kicked ass. Have in mind that it's a bit frustrating and scary for the drummer, as well, at least when you start doing things like that. But after a bit of practice, everything falls into place.

Live is a different beast, and I'm only getting to grips with it - live

That's a heck of a lot more difficult but with a lot of practice, I believe I'll manage to work more with that, as well.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:36 pm

vEddY wrote:Personally, I really prefer using Mainstage for this. Or Ableton Live, depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. If I'm after a backing track (or after backing tracks) that are already arranged, everyone knows where chorus, bridge, etc. is, then I prefer Mainstage. But if I want to have some freedom to repeat choruses and/or play around with song parts, then Live is a much better tool for that.

i agree, for total freedom ableton live and a push controller (or any other controller) connected to the kronos (synced on midi tempo) is a very powerful setup for live performances.

It's also really easy to create the loops from backing tracks in ableton live and keep them looping in ableton live. Every combi is then automatically in sync (also the KARMA modules) when you slave the kronos to the ableton midi clock.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:41 pm

QuiRobinez wrote: It's also really easy to create the loops from backing tracks in ableton live and keep them looping in ableton live. Every combi is then automatically in sync (also the KARMA modules) when you slave the kronos to the ableton midi clock.

Yep. The question remains - how to make Kronos/OASYS the master clock and use its tempo for that purpose, so that it can play back the click track. Mostly, these things are done by playing back a wav click track, looped or not. What would be cool is to use Karma to play a click track or something like that, without having to go to SEQ mode.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:45 pm

It's not hard at all to make the Kronos the master clock. You just need to set its clock to internal or auto and set up your other devices as slave. Where it becomes tricky is if you want to switch between random sounds/combis and keep the same tempo/beat/backing track running. That's really more of an arranger function.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:16 pm

SanderXpander wrote:It's not hard at all to make the Kronos the master clock. You just need to set its clock to internal or auto and set up your other devices as slave. Where it becomes tricky is if you want to switch between random sounds/combis and keep the same tempo/beat/backing track running. That's really more of an arranger function.

I wasn't talking about the master clock capability in the "sampling frequency" sense (i.e. locking the ADAT's or S/PDIF's and whatnot to i.e. 96kHz), but in the MTC/SMPTE sense, while using KARMA to play back a click track that sync's to the Kronos/OASYS tempo. It's not the connectivity that's the problem here (you could do that via MIDI), it's the overall idea that's the problem.

So far I used a .WAV file with click track which is completely fine. But sometimes we want to speed things up by a bpm or two, and then I need to re-export the click track and backing tracks, if I use them in WAV format. That takes time, which I often don't have

BTW, switching sounds isn't a problem for me as I always program in COMBI mode and use KARMA to switch sounds within one COMBI per song paradigm. But making all of this work is a bit of a problem. Which I can work around by using Mainstage with aforementioned WAV tracks.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:22 am

I wasn't talking about sampling frequency either. I was talking about midi clock, as in song tempo.
If you don't mind using an adapted combi and staying in seq mode, and the only wav you need is the click track, I would suggest using a midi based click track, or even the Ks drumtrack, because it will automatically follow any tempo changes.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:32 am

there's also a KARMA GE which can be used for a click track, from memory this was called 16th beat or something like that. With the rythm multiplier you could set it to 4th and then route it to the sound you want to use for the click track (for instance a percussion hit or beep).

I'm not behind the kronos right now, but i now that it can be done with that specific GE, i used the same trick for activating drumloops by sending a Note on every bar with that same GE, but you can definitely use it also for midi based click tracks.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:57 pm

SanderXpander wrote:I wasn't talking about sampling frequency either. I was talking about midi clock, as in song tempo.
If you don't mind using an adapted combi and staying in seq mode, and the only wav you need is the click track, I would suggest using a midi based click track, or even the Ks drumtrack, because it will automatically follow any tempo changes.

As I tried to point out, it's the term "master clock" that's used in a completely different way. If you're in a studio, that means syncing to word clock via bnc cable or something else. MIDI/MTC are separate beasts that don't have anything to do with that. So, it's just the terminology that I was hinting at

I get what you're saying