Building Combinations Help

[mad_musician]

I'm trying to build a combination and I have 3 timbres I want to bring in via SW1. kinda like have them muted and toggle them on with SW1. Is this possible? and if not, how would I be able to toggle all three of those Timbres on and off at the same time?

Thanks,

Nick

[geoelectro]

I do something similar by using a volume pedal. I can fade in additional timbers with the pedal. Connecting a switch pedal instead of a volume pedal would bring them up to full volume instantly.

As I think about this, you may be able to assign SW1 to volume for those timbers and do the same thing.

Geo

[mad_musician]

I thought about using the volume pedal, but I was hoping this was possible by using SW1. Do you know how to change the CC# on SW1 from an INIT COMBI?

[geoelectro]

I found a way by going into each program you want to mute and set the AMP modulation to SW1. Set the amount all the way up or down. This isn't the ideal way but it works. You would have to make copies of all programs that you want to add the SW1 to mute function and save them in user slots. Enable SW1 in the combi slots.

Geo

[HardSync]

I think there are a few ways to use SW1 to turn on/off timbres in a combi. If you have a free IFX slot, you can route them all through the Stereo Limiter effect. There's an explanation on the Karma-Lab wiki in respect of how it's done on the M3, but it should reasonably port over to the Kronos: http://karma-lab.wikidot.com/korg-m3:sw ... in-a-combi

If your combi isn't using KARMA (or if it is and has one unused GE module), then it's possible to use SW1 to activate the Timbre Thru function. This is a bit more involved with a large number of steps to set up. It boils down to assigning SW1 as Portamento SW (CC#65)**, setting up that Porta SW as a Dynamic MIDI assignment in KARMA, and then routing this KARMA DYN MIDI to the Timbre Thru function for the unused GE module.

**(You have to assign & use Porta SW (CC#65) because neither SW1 Mod. (CC#80) and SW2 Mod. (CC#81) are available as KARMA Dynamic MIDI sources -- I don't know why, but there's probably a good reason.)

I'm a bit hesitant to write out the procedure for the KARMA thing unless there's a clear interest in doing that way -- I also don't have a Kronos, so I'd have to refer to the Parameter Guide for specific screens in the Kronos, etc., which ultimately means I'd have to first write it out for how it's done on the M3 and then rework it for the Kronos. (Or perhaps somebody could assist me...)

[geoelectro]

Good one HardSync. The IFX is probably a very good way. I use the stereo limiter for gain boost and have configured it so I could turn backing tracks up or down with an assignable knob on the panel. Should be easy to configure it to respond to SW1 for muting control as well.

Geo

[mad_musician]

Thanks for the replies guys! You guys have been really helpful!

[rs.felicio]

Nick,

Could be possible to use karma to do this procedure is more complete and flexible because you will have 8 karma scenes.
There are some old posts related to " changing sound by karma "....

[QuiRobinez]

I'm trying to build a combination and I have 3 timbres I want to bring in via SW1. kinda like have them muted and toggle them on with SW1. Is this possible? and if not, how would I be able to toggle all three of those Timbres on and off at the same time?

all tricks in the posts above work, but there is a much more easier way to do this. Instead of using the SW1 button you could use the KARMA switch as a toggle button for bringing in sounds at will.

here's how to do it:
- when in combi mode press the Timbre parameter tab
- press the WaveSeq / Karma subtab
- in the bottom row you see a section called: KARMA Timbre Off control
- change the sounds you don't want the hear to setting Off (which means timbre off as long as you don't have the KARMA button activated).
- Now when you want your sounds kick in just activate the KARMA button and all the timbres will sound that you have set to OFF.

- you can also do this the other way around: set the timbres to ON if you want to mute them when you set the KARMA on/off switch button to on. This means that you kan easely switch quite complex soundsetups for your performance with just one button. It's a very easy but real powerful switch possibility.


More info about this can be found on page 459 in the parameter guide.

[mad_musician]

Ok, say I'm playing the patch and I hold the notes with the sustain pedal. Will the other timbres be sustained when I switch them on with karma or any of the above solutions?

[HardSync]

The method Qui described will continue to hold your sustained chord, as well as the other KARMA one I mentioned but did not fully describe how to do it. The Limiter effect will not work the way you want.

If you are happy using the KARMA button to switch on/off timbres, then go with what Qui said (the instructions for that are also on the link I gave above). If you absolutely have to use SW1 (or SW2) to turn on/off timbres, then let me know.

[mad_musician]

is there a way to have it where the chords are NOT sustained when I switch the patches on?

[HardSync]

Yes. Use the Limiter effect.

[mad_musician]

sweet i'll give that a try right now lol

[SanderXpander]

If I understand correctly what you want to do, it's exactly the other way around; use the Karma option, not the limiter one.

The trick here is to realize with the limiter option, your tracks are basically always playing - you just muted the audio. If you unmute the audio, they will kick in directly because they were, again, playing all along.
If you use the Karma trick, you actually prevent any signal from the keyboard going to the layer/timbre in question. If you switch it/them on, any new notes you play will also be sent to the layers, but the notes that were already playing or were being sustained, weren't actually sent to the extra layers/timbres, so there won't be any muted audio to suddenly kick in when you flip the switch.