user arpeggio????

cwojo72 · Post by **cwojo72** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:05 pm

I'm new to the Kronos (former Triton user) and am having difficulty creating a very simple, straight quarter note arpeggio that I would like to use in sequence mode. I'm aware, based on what I've read here that there is no place to create and save user arpeggios. Can someone out there please help me figure this out? All I'm trying to do is put a straight quarter note kick drum onto one of the tracks of my sequence. I've read up on step sequences and wave sequences, but I'm having difficulty figuring it out. Any help is greatly appreciated!

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 pm

not the same, but couldn't you just create a drum track, record a single measure of your kick drum and just copy/paste it as long as you need it to go?

Sparker · Post by **Sparker** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:33 pm

Check out the Operation manual on page 245 'Creating Drum Track patterns'. It takes you through the steps for making your own 'user pattern' for drums that can then be used with the 'Drum Track'.

Or you could use the RPPR function (as on the Triton) if you want to trigger via the keyboard when in SEQ Mode.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:37 am

KARMA is the new arpeggiator. There are some basic patterns you could possibly modify and and as GEs. KARMA is very deep. sequencing the part is probably the easiest.

laandodeman · Post by **laandodeman** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:19 pm

Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:40 pm

laandodeman wrote:Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.

Very true. I forgot that. RPPR?

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:26 pm

laandodeman wrote:Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.

Very true. I forgot that. RPPR?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:11 pm

If you want use it in sequence mode, RPPR is certainly an option. But I'm wondering if the OP really needs an arp or if he could just sequence, quantize and loop/copy.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:05 pm

SanderXpander wrote:If you want use it in sequence mode, RPPR is certainly an option. But I'm wondering if the OP really needs an arp or if he could just sequence, quantize and loop/copy.

Being as we haven't heard from him I don't think he knows or cares

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:33 pm

laandodeman wrote:Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.

Which to me is completely absurd

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Ned wrote:
laandodeman wrote:Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.
Which to me is completely absurd

Why? KARMA arpeggios are not really 'fixed', you can modify a lot of parameters, inlcuding the notes length, swing, complexity, with random seeds... etc.

The software is needed if you want to create new GEs .

theshinenz · Post by **theshinenz** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:29 pm

Shakil wrote:
Ned wrote:
laandodeman wrote:Karma arpeggio's are not programmable, unless you buy extra software.
Which to me is completely absurd
Why? KARMA arpeggios are not really 'fixed', you can modify a lot of parameters, inlcuding the notes length, swing, complexity, with random seeds... etc.

The software is needed if you want to create new GEs .

This might be fine for creating something new and inspiring, but hen trying to emulate something in say a cover song it can take waaaaay too long trying to alter so many parameters to get something to sound similar to a stansard arpeggiator. Qui did a good tutorial on simple arps but its still not as easy as the arpeggiator on say the Kurzweil pc3, fantom g or motif, where you can also convert midi files to arps. Great for cover songs

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:29 am

theshinenz wrote:
Shakil wrote:
Ned wrote: Which to me is completely absurd
Why? KARMA arpeggios are not really 'fixed', you can modify a lot of parameters, inlcuding the notes length, swing, complexity, with random seeds... etc.

The software is needed if you want to create new GEs .
This might be fine for creating something new and inspiring, but hen trying to emulate something in say a cover song it can take waaaaay too long trying to alter so many parameters to get something to sound similar to a stansard arpeggiator. Qui did a good tutorial on simple arps but its still not as easy as the arpeggiator on say the Kurzweil pc3, fantom g or motif, where you can also convert midi files to arps. Great for cover songs

Exactly, which is not professional in my opinion to be faced with changing parameters in the hope that you might be able to get the arp that you are looking for and need, it may take 5 mins or, you may never be able to dial it in just using the kronos itself.
Kudos to people like Qui for his videos and ronnfigg who both spend their own time to help a lot of people out though.
Also the software isn't really a viable option either, aside from the principle behind it ( being charged extra for functionality that i think should be already included inside the kronos, or at the least the software should come bundled with the kronos when you buy it ) the other reason why it isn't viable to me is if i buy the software i still won't be able to program my own arps into the kronos without a comp or laptop so i would have to carry a laptop or tablet around to be able to do this on the road ?
otherwise if you are in rehearsal and find that you need to change one of the notes in the arp sequence then you can't until you either plug in your laptop or wait till you get home to redo it ? Hardly a professional workflow option in my opinion.