Korg MS20 Mini ?

plosive · Post by **plosive** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:13 am

CharlesFerraro wrote:If you guys are expecting an ms-20 to be as cool as the ds-10 you'll be dissatisfied. No AM, FM, sync, or osc2 sampled noise on the 20. Even though the 20 has more jacks I'd actually say it has less patching ability than the ds because you have to build things like the s&h circuit where the 10 has that as a source outright.

Where the MS excels is in tactile hands-on control and since it's analog you could feasibly plug anything into those jacks. You also have dual filters and pwm.

1: MS-20 always had 2 noise generators
2: MS-20 has a S&H circuit
3: MS-20 most certainly can do AM
4: MS-20 most certainly can do FM

DS-10 is based on the lesser MS-10, with a couple more things thrown in. Perhaps these are the details you are mixing up.

No one that buys a MS-20 would be dissatisfied due to having the DS-10. That is crazy talk. I own 2 copies of the DS-10, love it. Only real reason I got a 3DSXL was for a larger screen to play with my DS10+ ... But if you think the idea of me buying a MS-20 has anything to do with the DS-10.. that's a gigantic wtf moment right there. More like the other way around, and my passion for handhelds, particularly GBs.

Entirely separate products anyways that live in entirely different worlds. This was just a silly post guy

and this is rightfully a very exciting moment for MS lovers.

plosive · Post by **plosive** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:18 am

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SMK · Post by **SMK** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:43 am

plosive wrote:
CharlesFerraro wrote:If you guys are expecting an ms-20 to be as cool as the ds-10 you'll be dissatisfied. No AM, FM, sync, or osc2 sampled noise on the 20. Even though the 20 has more jacks I'd actually say it has less patching ability than the ds because you have to build things like the s&h circuit where the 10 has that as a source outright.

Where the MS excels is in tactile hands-on control and since it's analog you could feasibly plug anything into those jacks. You also have dual filters and pwm.
1: MS-20 always had 2 noise generators
2: MS-20 has a S&H circuit
3: MS-20 most certainly can do AM
4: MS-20 most certainly can do FM

DS-10 is based on the lesser MS-10, with a couple more things thrown in. Perhaps these are the details you are mixing up.

No one that buys a MS-20 would be dissatisfied due to having the DS-10. That is crazy talk. I own 2 copies of the DS-10, love it. Only real reason I got a 3DSXL was for a larger screen to play with my DS10+ ... But if you think the idea of me buying a MS-20 has anything to do with the DS-10.. that's a gigantic wtf moment right there. More like the other way around, and my passion for handhelds, particularly GBs.

Entirely separate products anyways that live in entirely different worlds. This was just a silly post guy and this is rightfully a very exciting moment for MS lovers.

The DS 10 was cool an all as a sketchbook for ideas. But having physical keys and knobs are always a win. This looks more of a step up from the Monotribe line. However I will give the DS-10 one cool prop that (so far) seems to be missing from this mini, which is a ability to step sequence. That really is a cool feature when making rhythms, melodies and arps. But that is not what this new gear is about. It looks like a great studio piece...not something I would use live.

CharlesFerraro · Post by **CharlesFerraro** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:36 am

plosive wrote:
CharlesFerraro wrote:If you guys are expecting an ms-20 to be as cool as the ds-10 you'll be dissatisfied. No AM, FM, sync, or osc2 sampled noise on the 20. Even though the 20 has more jacks I'd actually say it has less patching ability than the ds because you have to build things like the s&h circuit where the 10 has that as a source outright.

Where the MS excels is in tactile hands-on control and since it's analog you could feasibly plug anything into those jacks. You also have dual filters and pwm.
1: MS-20 always had 2 noise generators
2: MS-20 has a S&H circuit
3: MS-20 most certainly can do AM
4: MS-20 most certainly can do FM

DS-10 is based on the lesser MS-10, with a couple more things thrown in. Perhaps these are the details you are mixing up.

No one that buys a MS-20 would be dissatisfied due to having the DS-10. That is crazy talk. I own 2 copies of the DS-10, love it. Only real reason I got a 3DSXL was for a larger screen to play with my DS10+ ... But if you think the idea of me buying a MS-20 has anything to do with the DS-10.. that's a gigantic wtf moment right there. More like the other way around, and my passion for handhelds, particularly GBs.

Entirely separate products anyways that live in entirely different worlds. This was just a silly post guy and this is rightfully a very exciting moment for MS lovers.

1.) I said sampled noise, which sounds a lot different from noise. You can tell the differences between the noise signals of oscillators one and two on your DS especially when re-pitching osc2.
2.) My point was that you need to actually patch a narrow pulse width waveform and a noise wave just to generate the S&H output which limits the use of your patch sources unlike the DS-10 which simply offers a S&H output.
3&4.) Not without some outboard modulator signal. The MS-20 may offer amp and oscillator pitch as destinations but doesn't have a patch source that can generate the frequencies needed for ring or cross modulation.

The sound of the DS-10 oscillators, filter and maybe the speed of the envelope and other details are modeled after the MS-10 with the thrown in sequencing options etc. But the DS is actually nothing like an MS-10 as far as the synthesis options go. For instance the MS-10 doesn't have two oscillators with sync or a highpass filter or the number/types of patch sources as the DS-10 etc etc.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:55 pm

SMK wrote:
The DS 10 was cool an all as a sketchbook for ideas. But having physical keys and knobs are always a win. This looks more of a step up from the Monotribe line. However I will give the DS-10 one cool prop that (so far) seems to be missing from this mini, which is a ability to step sequence. That really is a cool feature when making rhythms, melodies and arps. But that is not what this new gear is about. It looks like a great studio piece...not something I would use live.

Agreed. But since this (still hypothetical) MS-20 re-issue has Midi IN, you can always connect a tribe or other hardware/software sequencer to it.

I'm on the fence with this one if it indeed does come out. I've always wanted to get my hands on an MS20, but then I'm not too excited about the smaller keys, and the other problem is that I already bought a minibrute so don't really need another mono analog synth.

djcactus · Post by **djcactus** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:10 pm

As long as were tooting the ds-10's horn, how about this. That bad boy can write automation.

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:45 pm

Here's some info in English. Stock expected in April.

http://www.absolutemusic.co.uk/communit ... ms-20-mini

djcactus · Post by **djcactus** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:49 pm

ive seen it on too many "korg sites" by now, i understand its not announced yet but i think we can safely assume that the king korg and mini are real. That or the world over is having a photoshop party. At 600 euros the mini should cost roughly 800 usd if all goes according to plan. Wouldnt be surprised if it gets bumped up to 1000 though

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:52 pm

But why couldn't they keep it at normal size? Why shrink it to 86% of the original size? I'm guessing the keys will be mini, too.

stuck · Post by **stuck** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:01 pm

roblabs wrote:But why couldn't they keep it at normal size? Why shrink it to 86% of the original size? I'm guessing the keys will be mini, too.

Yes, it has mini keys, and 1/8" jacks rather than 1/4". Smaller is cheaper.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:03 pm

From the looks on the picture, I call that medium keys, not mini like on microKorg.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:26 pm

roblabs wrote:
SMK wrote:
The DS 10 was cool an all as a sketchbook for ideas. But having physical keys and knobs are always a win. This looks more of a step up from the Monotribe line. However I will give the DS-10 one cool prop that (so far) seems to be missing from this mini, which is a ability to step sequence. That really is a cool feature when making rhythms, melodies and arps. But that is not what this new gear is about. It looks like a great studio piece...not something I would use live.
Agreed. But since this (still hypothetical) MS-20 re-issue has Midi IN, you can always connect a tribe or other hardware/software sequencer to it.

I'm on the fence with this one if it indeed does come out. I've always wanted to get my hands on an MS20, but then I'm not too excited about the smaller keys, and the other problem is that I already bought a minibrute so don't really need another mono analog synth.

I mention the need of step sequencing in that this was a missed opportunity to continue the growth of the line from monotron to monotribe to now mini-ms20...while yes the mini ms20 has the midi in so we can use say an electribe to sequence everything, but it would have been nice to work from the new ms20 and retire extra gear. I am always looking for ways to trim down my gear for my live shows. But again this MS20 lacks the ability to have multiple tracks and storing saved settings.

To me the over all issue is more on price in regards to what we are actually getting. The actual MSRP for this will be $800. I sincerely hope that price will be significantly dropped at the street value.

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:09 pm

SMK wrote:I mention the need of step sequencing in that this was a missed opportunity to continue the growth of the line from monotron to monotribe to now mini-ms20...

Nothing has been missed. Just wait until Korg release an SQ-10 mini.

rob314159 · Post by **rob314159** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:07 pm

Street for the MS-20 Mini looks to be $599.

stuck · Post by **stuck** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:17 pm

rob314159 wrote:Street for the MS-20 Mini looks to be $599.

That's pretty good value, especially as it's analog.