Dubstep with a KP3?

alecegonce · Post by **alecegonce** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:35 pm

I know it is an effects processor and can only make a few sounds of its own like the KAOSS Pro but is there a way to make a -Wooble like sound with the KP3 with the sound coming from an external instrument? I want to make a cover of Madness by muse, and I need to do the Bass part and I cant get keytara on my hands. let me ask again CAN YOU MAKE A BASS WOOBLE WITH THE KP3?

lloydsmith · Post by **lloydsmith** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:42 am

You can use the pitch changer on signal input. I have done that with reasonable success.

alecegonce · Post by **alecegonce** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:53 pm

lloydsmith wrote:You can use the pitch changer on signal input. I have done that with reasonable success.

I mean can I use the xy pad like Chris does it on Muse to get the Wah Wooble thing and use myu keyboard to get the notes

MarcusCarab · Post by **MarcusCarab** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:34 pm

play around with all the different Filter and LFO programs -- you should be able to find something that works pretty well. The typical dubsteb wubby bass is usually achieved with an envelope filter and/or a key-synced LFO on a synthesizer -- you can't do *exactly* that, but if you feed your KP3 a good bass sound and try out filters (with which you would swipe your finger up/down/across the pad at the right time to create the wubwub) and LFOs (where you would have to try some different techniques on the pad) you can probably create something very close.

lloydsmith · Post by **lloydsmith** » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:55 pm

You can implement MIDI ccs for x & y axis to control an external keyboard. Haven't done this myself but info on setting channels etc is in the manual.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:31 am

There are 2 types of dubstep sounds: we have the wobble and we also have the growling glitch. I typically go for the growling glitch sound most notable on Skrillex music. To get my own flavor of that what I use on the KP3 with my KO Pro is LF 22, it's a slicer LPF. But to get more of that growl you could get another kp device to give you decimator or grain shifter. get a mini kp for this...now they are really cheap.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:04 am

MarcusCarab wrote:...The typical dubsteb wubby bass is usually achieved with... a key-synced LFO on a synthesizer -- .

I was wondering if you could explain this further...what do you mean by key-synced?

Is the speed of the wobble go faster when the notes go lower or when the notes go higher. I always thought there was no difference...but hey if there is another trick to this I am all ears. To understand this correctly would be a huge help to those with both the KP3 and the KO Pro because you can midi the Pro to connect to the KP3 having the Pro control the KP3's effect, very much like what I am guessing is key synced. So please explain more. Thanks!

MarcusCarab · Post by **MarcusCarab** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:23 am

Ah sorry, I don't think I meant the same thing you're thinking of -- by "key synced" meant how synths with LFOs often let you set the LFO wave to play continuously or to re-start with each key press. On the Monotribe, for example, the Slow LFO setting runs continuously, but the Fast & 1-Shot LFOs are "key synced"

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:08 am

MarcusCarab wrote:Ah sorry, I don't think I meant the same thing you're thinking of -- by "key synced" meant how synths with LFOs often let you set the LFO wave to play continuously or to re-start with each key press. On the Monotribe, for example, the Slow LFO setting runs continuously, but the Fast & 1-Shot LFOs are "key synced"

So Marcus, now that I understand key synced means the LFO effect on the KP3 needs to be triggered when a key is hit.

So one technique I am thinking of for users of both the KP3 and the KO Pro is to have the KO Pro to send a midi touch pad on/off signal...basically when you play the pro, you activate the effect LFO effect on the KP3.

Thats really not a bad midi set up to have between the 2.

The huge benifit here is that for those who felt screwed on the new Kaossilator Pro+ that got all of those new dubstep sounds now have more viriaty of dub / wobble sounds.

I have already worked with LFO 1 and LFO 2 in a live show and it was great. Also LF 22 is a great Dub/glitch sound (skrillex like) to work with.

MarcusCarab · Post by **MarcusCarab** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:30 pm

Ahh yeah, of course -- that's exactly the solution! Brilliant.

With a more versatile MIDI controller (or a computer somewhere in the chain) you could probably also automate the pad X&Y and the FX Depth to create wubby patterns in sync with the kpro notes, but that would just be gravy. Unfortunately, KP doesn't let you trigger the pad motion button via midi (yet another absolutely pointless omission from the midi implementation)

I don't use a Kpro, just a KP3, but now I'm thinking I might try the same thing with my DR202 drum machine -- it has lots of fun but slightly cheezy bass sounds that are much nicer when put through KP3 effects, and I'm *pretty* sure I can tell it to send CC messages when the notes play (funny how Boss equipment from the 90s has way more powerful MIDI capabilities than a lot of gear today)

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:09 am

MarcusCarab wrote:Ahh yeah, of course -- that's exactly the solution! Brilliant.

With a more versatile MIDI controller (or a computer somewhere in the chain) you could probably also automate the pad X&Y and the FX Depth to create wubby patterns in sync with the kpro notes, but that would just be gravy. Unfortunately, KP doesn't let you trigger the pad motion button via midi (yet another absolutely pointless omission from the midi implementation)

I don't use a Kpro, just a KP3, but now I'm thinking I might try the same thing with my DR202 drum machine -- it has lots of fun but slightly cheezy bass sounds that are much nicer when put through KP3 effects, and I'm *pretty* sure I can tell it to send CC messages when the notes play (funny how Boss equipment from the 90s has way more powerful MIDI capabilities than a lot of gear today)

Alright I did my tests and well, having KO Pro send a midi touch pad on/off signal worked but really the HOLD button works very much the same way. You get the same effect doing either or.

So really no serious discovery here. For everyone else just use one of the LFO's I suggested on the KP3 and have it saved with a hold function...you're good to go.