The Behringer FCB1010 Midi Footswitch

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:00 pm

mathieumaes wrote:Sorry, but I can't seem to make heads or tails of this...

I've been reading the manual, and it appears you can only send CC data when changing a patch...

I want to do something similar like the OP... Have Rotary controls, and sustain switches... Can anyone tell me how I can do this ? Do I need to buy that UnO firmware update for this to work, or should this be possible with the original firmware ?

Turn off "Direct Select" first of all. Then of course, you programm each switch on the board with Midi CC... After this, by pressing one of the switches, it should send a CC. Test this and if not working well, then you need the Uno Eprom (which I would buy anyway, since it adds a lot of functionality for these 16 Euro...)

mathieumaes · Post by **mathieumaes** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:43 pm

MRedZac wrote: Turn off "Direct Select" first of all. Then of course, you programm each switch on the board with Midi CC... After this, by pressing one of the switches, it should send a CC. Test this and if not working well, then you need the Uno Eprom (which I would buy anyway, since it adds a lot of functionality for these 16 Euro...)

To use a sustain pedal, I believe you need to send another CC message when releasing the pedal, which it won't do...

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:34 pm

mathieumaes wrote:
MRedZac wrote: Turn off "Direct Select" first of all. Then of course, you programm each switch on the board with Midi CC... After this, by pressing one of the switches, it should send a CC. Test this and if not working well, then you need the Uno Eprom (which I would buy anyway, since it adds a lot of functionality for these 16 Euro...)
To use a sustain pedal, I believe you need to send another CC message when releasing the pedal, which it won't do...

OK, this is the proof... You definetly need the UNO Chip, cause only with this, you can switch from latch mode (which you have now) to momentary (CC only active, as long as you tap the switch)...

BrickPilot · Post by **BrickPilot** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:45 pm

mathieumaes wrote:Sorry, but I can't seem to make heads or tails of this...

I've been reading the manual, and it appears you can only send CC data when changing a patch...

I want to do something similar like the OP... Have Rotary controls, and sustain switches... Can anyone tell me how I can do this ? Do I need to buy that UnO firmware update for this to work, or should this be possible with the original firmware ?

As far as FCB is concerned, every time you mash a pedal, you're selecting a new preset. What the FCB actually sends via MIDI is up to you. Could be CC #64 (damper pedal), or CC #1 (JY+, generally the rotary toggle). I don't believe you need uNO to do this. If you don't already have it, download and use Ed Dixon's FCB1010 PC Editor. Programming the FCB using the pedalboard itself is torture.

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:47 pm

BrickPilot wrote:
mathieumaes wrote:Sorry, but I can't seem to make heads or tails of this...

I've been reading the manual, and it appears you can only send CC data when changing a patch...

I want to do something similar like the OP... Have Rotary controls, and sustain switches... Can anyone tell me how I can do this ? Do I need to buy that UnO firmware update for this to work, or should this be possible with the original firmware ?
As far as FCB is concerned, every time you mash a pedal, you're selecting a new preset. What the FCB actually sends via MIDI is up to you. Could be CC #64 (damper pedal), or CC #1 (JY+, generally the rotary toggle). I don't believe you need uNO to do this. If you don't already have it, download and use Ed Dixon's FCB1010 PC Editor. Programming the FCB using the pedalboard itself is torture.

The problem is, that original Behringer Firmware - as far as I know - cannot switch between latch and momentary... Means especially for damper, that the CC#64 is send for as long, until you tap another switch with CC#64 Value 0 or you alterate between 127 and 0, means you will have to tap the same switch twice - once for damper on and a second time for damper off...
With UNO you can setup only to send CC#64 as long as you tap the switch and it stops sending it, if you release it... (Like a real damper pedal)

BrickPilot · Post by **BrickPilot** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:51 pm

MRedZac wrote:
BrickPilot wrote:
mathieumaes wrote:Sorry, but I can't seem to make heads or tails of this...

I've been reading the manual, and it appears you can only send CC data when changing a patch...

I want to do something similar like the OP... Have Rotary controls, and sustain switches... Can anyone tell me how I can do this ? Do I need to buy that UnO firmware update for this to work, or should this be possible with the original firmware ?
As far as FCB is concerned, every time you mash a pedal, you're selecting a new preset. What the FCB actually sends via MIDI is up to you. Could be CC #64 (damper pedal), or CC #1 (JY+, generally the rotary toggle). I don't believe you need uNO to do this. If you don't already have it, download and use Ed Dixon's FCB1010 PC Editor. Programming the FCB using the pedalboard itself is torture.
The problem is, that original Behringer Firmware - as far as I know - cannot switch between latch and momentary... Means especially for damper, that the CC#64 is send for as long, until you tap another switch with CC#64 Value 0 or you alterate between 127 and 0, means you will have to tap the same switch twice - once for damper on and a second time for damper off...
With UNO you can setup only to send CC#64 as long as you tap the switch and it stops sending it, if you release it... (Like a real damper pedal)

Riiiiiiiiiight. I forgot about that. I'm not using the stompbox mode, but indeed the momentary mode is essential for making this controller AWESOME.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:45 pm

BrickPilot wrote:
MRedZac wrote:
BrickPilot wrote: As far as FCB is concerned, every time you mash a pedal, you're selecting a new preset. What the FCB actually sends via MIDI is up to you. Could be CC #64 (damper pedal), or CC #1 (JY+, generally the rotary toggle). I don't believe you need uNO to do this. If you don't already have it, download and use Ed Dixon's FCB1010 PC Editor. Programming the FCB using the pedalboard itself is torture.
The problem is, that original Behringer Firmware - as far as I know - cannot switch between latch and momentary... Means especially for damper, that the CC#64 is send for as long, until you tap another switch with CC#64 Value 0 or you alterate between 127 and 0, means you will have to tap the same switch twice - once for damper on and a second time for damper off...
With UNO you can setup only to send CC#64 as long as you tap the switch and it stops sending it, if you release it... (Like a real damper pedal)
Riiiiiiiiiight. I forgot about that. I'm not using the stompbox mode, but indeed the momentary mode is essential for making this controller AWESOME.

It's quite cheap and the guy I ordered it from is really nice, gives also replies to emails etc.

mathieumaes · Post by **mathieumaes** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:23 pm

Yeah, it's a cheap solution that I'm willing to try, I ordered it yesterday.

Next challenge will be programming the device, since I currently don't have access to MIDI ports for my PC at the moment. I've moved in with my parents-in-law temporarily, most of my stuff is in storage ...

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:09 pm

mathieumaes wrote:Yeah, it's a cheap solution that I'm willing to try, I ordered it yesterday.

Next challenge will be programming the device, since I currently don't have access to MIDI ports for my PC at the moment. I've moved in with my parents-in-law temporarily, most of my stuff is in storage ...

Did you also order the Uno chip?
Programming it without a PC is really a 'challenge'.

mathieumaes · Post by **mathieumaes** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:38 pm

michelkeijzers wrote: Did you also order the Uno chip?
Programming it without a PC is really a 'challenge'.

Yes, I ordered the chip. Already got the foot controller...

The challenge will be "finding a friend who has a USB-MIDI interface"

Nightale · Post by **Nightale** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:03 pm

Sorry to revive an old post, but I can't seem to find anywhere if it's possible to assign some FCB1010 switches to trigger the Kronos' chord pads? Is UNO mandatory in this case?

Thx!

MRedZac · Post by **MRedZac** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Nightale wrote:Sorry to revive an old post, but I can't seem to find anywhere if it's possible to assign some FCB1010 switches to trigger the Kronos' chord pads? Is UNO mandatory in this case?

Thx!

I think yes

BrickPilot · Post by **BrickPilot** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:22 pm

Nightale wrote:Sorry to revive an old post, but I can't seem to find anywhere if it's possible to assign some FCB1010 switches to trigger the Kronos' chord pads? Is UNO mandatory in this case?

Thx!

Yes, you can absolutely do this (I do), and no you do not need uNO. I have several pedals (depending on my bank) set to use some of the C0-G#0 range and then assign those as the chord triggers. I also have pedal 5 as my damper and 4 as either Program advance or Karma advance. Pedal 3 is my JY+. Just an example.

Nightale · Post by **Nightale** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:42 pm

Thanks a lot, this should be edited and added in the OP

laandodeman · Post by **laandodeman** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:06 pm

I already use my midi in with a Roland PK5 (directed to one channel on which I programmed a Taurus sound with the AL1).

Is it possible to use the FCB1010 alongside with the PK5, by using a midi through or something like that?

Is it possible to use the FCB1010 to select "program up" and "program down"?