Is it possible to record ext sequences with audio to Kronos

[vainglorious]

Hi Everyone

I have a question regarding the recording of External Sequences into the Kronos.

I have a Triton Studio and Trinity both with extensive sequences recorded with audio tracks and what I want to do is transfer them to my Kronos sequencer's audio tracks.

The problem I am having is if I use the Kronos as master sequencer then the audio from the Triton and Trinity will not play due to the external settings whilst the midi tracks are fine.

If I use the Kronos as the slave sequencer then audio recording is not possibe.

What I really want to achieve ofcourse is sequences with their audio files transfered into the Kronos sequencer in time.

Does anyone know if I can acheive this?


P/S I have tried in sampling with the (start sampling when sequencer starts) using Kronos in slave mode but the sampling does not seem to wait for the sequencer to start.

Thanks

Alan.

[RonF]

I'm not sure I am fully following you here..... but I will give it my best shot.

Easy option....record the output of the Triton/Trinity to another device, such as a computer DAW, to result as a mixed stereo audio file. Then put the computer DAW into ext sync (slave) mode, and use it to transfer to your Kronos while it acts as Master. Thats just a direct and simple work-around which may easily solve your problems.

Beyond that.....There should be no reason why you cannot put the Triton into ext sync mode, and have it play out (both midi and audio, since audio IS midi events on the Triton) in time with the Kronos as master.

I'm not clear on what your issue here is....is it audio routing inside of Kronos? or is it midi settings/connections on both Kronos and Triton/Trinity?

I have never owned a Trinity, so I will leave that for another to respond to...but I have put my Triton Studio in ext sync mode plenty of times and have had no issue with samples and audio playing back. They are simply midi events (triggers) and should play back fine. Are you using a digital audio connection between the two keyboards? That could cause an issue or two in theory (but doubtful between two Korg keyboards both at 48K).

Need more details on your settings (midi, and audio routings) on both keyboards and how they are connected!

[marianghioda]

I just finished recording about 170 songs from my Triton Extreme on to the Kronos. You are right, it does not let you record as Master-Slave, it will say "Audio not recording'.
I needed my audio AND MIDI recorded in the same time, I had information on MIDI track 16 for my TC Helicon Voice Live and also to control my Compulive DMX shows.
So, I set-up the song in the Kronos seq. with the RIGHT TEMPO, select Multi Record, turned off metronome (can you say annoying?), and also changed in the preferences so it doesn't do the 2 measures count in.
Select to record Audio track 1 and 2 (panned left and right) and MIDI track (only 16 in my case).
I had the audio coming in the SPDIF (this way I didn't loose any quality or pick up any noise), set up in Global the volume (all the way up) and made sure that I didn't send the SPDIF to the L/R bus, becouse it would double with the signal being recorded on track 1-2 audio (I set up track 1 in from SPDIF-L and track 2 from SPDIF-R, and you will hear what's coming only AFTER you enable those tracks to REC.
Now....after all that fancy technical setup, to actually record I press REC button on the Kronos seq, and than, push Play button IN THE SAME TIME on both sequencers.
If you're not happy with the start, press stop, and COMPARE, and start again.
To make it easy, for the next song, I "copy from previos song" (without track data), change Tempo, check "multi rec", enable the tracks to be recorded, and you're set.
The songs in Kronos are preset to 64 measures, so if you have a shorter song, make sure you "set song lenght", otherwise it will only stop after 64 measures when you play it back.
One other thing, if you need a song in different Tempo, there is another thread on this forum how to change that.
Good luck...and patience!

[Lou]

Hi Everyone


P/S I have tried in sampling with the (start sampling when sequencer starts) using Kronos in slave mode but the sampling does not seem to wait for the sequencer to start.

Thanks

Alan.

Kronos is not waiting because you do not have "External USB" selected in the Global/Midi page.
You probably have it set to "Auto USB". Make the switch and let us know, I think you will see it lock a clock for the sampling to begin..


I just did a test and recorded an audio track to DAW. Then Sampled the DAW output to Kronos (SPDIF in) Works beautifully!

[Dniss]

I use the Kronos as master sequencer then the audio from the Triton and Trinity will not play due to the external settings whilst the midi tracks are fine.

What do you mean by that?

I have an external sound module which I record from in the kronos in seq mode. I use the midi file in the kronos sequencer, but set to external, than the sound module outputs are plugged into the back of the kronos.

[vainglorious]

Hi Ronf, Marianghioda, Lou and Dniss

Thanks for your input, indeed it is very much appreciated. Yes it does appear that the Kronos will only record audio to the audio tracks whilst midi clock is set to internal. In fact this rule also applies to Triton's and Trinity's.

I was hoping really to try and avoid the DAW route and try to get from Triton/Trinity straight to Kronos but it may be simplier at the end of the day to actually record via DAW then into Kronos.

I may have found a work around. I set up the Kronos to receive external Midi (Slave) and the Triton to Master.
Then went to the Kronos sequencer and used in-track sampling with (start sampling when sequencer starts).
I then selected sample to Disk, pressed sampling Rec then start-stop and started the triton sequencer which started the Kronos.

As the sequencer of the Kronos started the Kronos recorded the audio from Triton to a wave file which hopefully will mean I can put the waves to audio tracks !! PHEW!!!

Still testing this at the moment though as not sure the wave files are really playing in proper time with the sequencer.

Marianghioda I will try your suggestion, and let you know how I get on, thank you.

Lou and Ronf will keep you posted. how I get on with your suggestions.

Dniss, Yes Midi tracks will record into the Kronos fine it's the audio tracks that there is a problem with as the Triton/Trinity is set to External then audio tracks wont play but midi tracks do.

Thanks

Alan.

[Lou]

I was hoping really to try and avoid the DAW route and try to get from Triton/Trinity straight to Kronos but it may be simplier at the end of the day to actually record via DAW then into Kronos.

You can avoid the DAW. In my test/example above, " I just did a test and recorded an audio track to DAW. Then Sampled the DAW output to Kronos (SPDIF in) Works beautifully! "
You replace my DAW with the Triton and go analog into Kronos and make your settings. This way you can Sample, or go to audio tracks doing as you say below.

I set up the Kronos to receive external Midi (Slave) and the Triton to Master.
Then went to the Kronos sequencer and used in-track sampling with (start sampling when sequencer starts).