Kronos doesn't get Radias? No Pads?

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:15 pm

The radias module has the additional advantage of giving users a haptic programming experience in good overview.

AL-1 will probably stay in the shadow as long as there aren't more examples of what you can achieve with it. Tweaking from there would be easier to do, than to program from zero, working your way through many subpages, without ever having a concise sound shaping overview.

There are some sound libraries announced, making use of several Kronos VA engines, but I know of no package concentrating on AL-1.

btdahl · Post by **btdahl** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:25 pm

jimknopf wrote:AL-1 will probably stay in the shadow as long as there aren't more examples of what you can achieve with it. Tweaking from there would be easier to do, than to program from zero, working your way through many subpages, without ever having a concise sound shaping overview.

IIRC the AL-1 was one of the two original factory-installed engines on the OASYS, so i'ts been around for a long time too... You should accept it as a challenge.. Make an AL-1 pack to really show it off

cynkh · Post by **cynkh** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:23 pm

jimknopf wrote:The radias module has the additional advantage of giving users a haptic programming experience in good overview.

AL-1 will probably stay in the shadow as long as there aren't more examples of what you can achieve with it. Tweaking from there would be easier to do, than to program from zero, working your way through many subpages, without ever having a concise sound shaping overview.

There are some sound libraries announced, making use of several Kronos VA engines, but I know of no package concentrating on AL-1.

I think we will all see a flood of AL-1 patches once the VSTi/AU editor is released and Kronos users have a similar programming experience to what Access Virus users have been used to for some time.

Speaking of Radias, has anyone had an opportunity to compare it with, say the MOD-7 engine? It seems that MOD-7 is more compatible with Radias programs since it has the ability to use PCM waveforms in the signal path...

NuSkoolTone · Post by **NuSkoolTone** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:21 am

McHale wrote:Here's something that hasn't been addressed yet:

Do we get our arpegiators back (over the whole KRONOS, not just AL-1)? And if not, can we at least have onboard GE editing? HATED that on the M3.

BIG +1 here. Having to spend $170 just so you can create/edit a GE is criminal! I don't want shitty presets, I want to roll my OWN. $3000 was already enough to pay IMO. If what I want doesn't happen to be in a preset and can't be "edited" with a slider to what I WANT, that's just not cool. And NO I don't want to take Karma's CHEESY "Suggestions", I can write my own music thank you very much!

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:32 am

My Kronos has a set of PadKontrol pads that work great and lets me move them around so it's in the proper position for the right or left hand. The M3 they are stuck in the middle.

and unlike the the Radias module I have inside the M3, I use the Radias Keyboard with the Kronos, this gives me a second set of keys for the extra part, along with lot's of knob to twist.

only problem is...the display is intermitten and it's hard to know what program your on

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:09 am

I actually posted a thread a while ago concerning the radias and kronos.
I was going from radias to AL-1, it was a steep steep change..

One big thing that i feel is missing is the Waveshapers, they were HUGE for me.

I have a few questions.... I remember reading here on the forums about EXi audio routing, so i could make a patch in AL-1, and then route that into MOD-7 to use a waveshaper. (Which btw, if you thought 4 wave shapers was plenty on the radias... wait till you see how many mod-7 has!!)

The Mod 7 does NOT have eveything the Al-1 has. it has the same filters, and the ability to use samples and what not.. which is cool! but it is missing a lot in terms of oscillators.

I remember on my radias i made THE most amazing filter sweep ever using VPM and a pickup wave shaper. I cannot do this on the kronos.. and its killing me.. any insight?

Biovac · Post by **Biovac** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:13 am

robbinhood wrote:I remember on my radias i made THE most amazing filter sweep ever using VPM and a pickup wave shaper. I cannot do this on the kronos.. and its killing me.. any insight?

Seriously. Are you kidding?

Radias 2 VPM Osc + 1 Wavewshaper per voice against Kronos 6 VPM Osc + 6 Waveshaper per voice ¿?

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:31 pm

I always wanted to hear the most amazing filtersweep ever.
Didn't know it was hidden in a Radias.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:48 pm

jimknopf wrote:I always wanted to hear the most amazing filtersweep ever.
Didn't know it was hidden in a Radias.

So that's where it is. And I've been dealing with a dirty kitchen floor for how long?

Vlad_77 · Post by **Vlad_77** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:24 pm

It seems that Dan's post was rather overlooked.

Also, many posts DID allude to the fact the MOD-7 AND AL-1 could produce simply stunning sounds. I am still slowly working my way through Kronos but I really have the sense that this instrument can do FAR more than many of us have had time to discover. My proof in this lies in the fact that OASYS owners have had a huge head start on Kronos users and OASYS owners are fiercely loyal to it.

All this being said, Radias IS selling quite cheaply these days. You don't have to be a certain member here who seems to be worth more than Warren Buffet AND Bill Gates combined to buy one.

Even though Radias is derived from AL-1, I am still happy to have it in my rig and really do not feel it is redundant at all. I bought a new Radias-R a month ago for 599 USD postage paid. I simply love it.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:11 pm

Biovac wrote:
robbinhood wrote:I remember on my radias i made THE most amazing filter sweep ever using VPM and a pickup wave shaper. I cannot do this on the kronos.. and its killing me.. any insight?
Seriously. Are you kidding?

Radias 2 VPM Osc + 1 Wavewshaper per voice against Kronos 6 VPM Osc + 6 Waveshaper per voice ¿?

It was more then that.

Mod 7 does not have the correct oscillator parameters the AL-1/radias had.

If i could route AL-1 into mod 7 we would be in business

However only OSC1 from the radias is possible with the MOD7

I always wanted to hear the most amazing filtersweep ever.
Didn't know it was hidden in a Radias.

It probably isnt! However it was a filter sweep i could not achieve on any other synth. It also doesnt sound like an average sweep, it has a very interesting thing going on because of the VPM used

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:11 pm

Also, i feel the unison function sounded better on radias...

shawnhar · Post by **shawnhar** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:16 pm

robbinhood wrote:However it was a filter sweep i could not achieve on any other synth. It also doesnt sound like an average sweep, it has a very interesting thing going on because of the VPM used

Like Dan said, neither AL1 not MOD7 is an exact superset of the Radias synth engine, but they can both do somewhat similar things (not to mention in many cases rather more than Radias is capable of).

If you are interested in unusual filter sweep type effects, I would definitely recommend spending some time with MOD7. It's not what most people think of first when they hear FM synth, but MOD7 is so much more than just a DX7 emulation!

Combine one or more FM frequency sweeps with modulated FM feedback amounts, multiple independently modulated waveshapers, plus two conventional resonant filters, and you can get some seriously crazy frequency movement going on!

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:18 pm

shawnhar wrote:
robbinhood wrote:However it was a filter sweep i could not achieve on any other synth. It also doesnt sound like an average sweep, it has a very interesting thing going on because of the VPM used
Like Dan said, neither AL1 not MOD7 is an exact superset of the Radias synth engine, but they can both do somewhat similar things (not to mention in many cases rather more than Radias is capable of).

If you are interested in unusual filter sweep type effects, I would definitely recommend spending some time with MOD7. It's not what most people think of first when they hear FM synth, but MOD7 is so much more than just a DX7 emulation!

Combine one or more FM frequency sweeps with modulated FM feedback amounts, multiple independently modulated waveshapers, plus two conventional resonant filters, and you can get some seriously crazy frequency movement going on!

Ive spent a lot of time with both! I like them both better actually. Much heavier, less thin then radias.

I will work on it right now.. i will post results!

tritonthe · Post by **tritonthe** » Wed May 01, 2019 8:28 pm

Hi,
What were the results?