Drum kit on wavedrum oriental

Gizmo1300 · Post by **Gizmo1300** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:12 am

Has anyone found the best settings (standard or modified) to represent a standard drum kit on the oriental?
I am looking for a general snare, cymbal, kick drum that best replicates a kit to play along to songs with out having to get a full kit.

WaveDrummer · Post by **WaveDrummer** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:01 pm

I don't think the Oriental will get you closer to this goal than any of the other versions of the Wavedrum.

What sets the Oriental apart from previous versions is the addition of Middle-Eastern percussion sounds.

The best options for "drumkit-like" programs are still probably going to be from the original programs #58, 59, etc. (which are included with all the wavedrums). Some of these programs offer varying combinations of kick, snare & hi-hat, but none of them will really be able to replicate what a full kit can do.

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:09 am

WaveDrummer wrote:The best options for "drumkit-like" programs are still probably going to be from the original programs #58, 59, etc. (which are included with all the wavedrums). Some of these programs offer varying combinations of kick, snare & hi-hat, but none of them will really be able to replicate what a full kit can do.

Given that #58, 59, etc... can give you a kick/snare (or kick/hi-hat) combination, and you wanted something closer to a full drum kit, would you recommend a 2nd Wavedrum or say a Wavedrum Mini to accomplish this?

WaveDrummer · Post by **WaveDrummer** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:23 am

The "Mini" with the trigger attached to a shoe/boot is probably the closest you'll get to simulating a drumkit with any sort of realistic accuracy.

It helps quite a bit if you have a good, solid surface under your foot as well—hardwood floor, etc. It makes it much easier to get a "clean" trigger sound.

You can also get some decent kit sounds using the trigger on a stick-played surface. I find that being able to physically separate the sounds, on two different surfaces, makes for a better drumkit simulation. It can be a bit tricky on the full-sized Wavedrum to control the separate hi-hat, snare and kick sounds. The Mini offers some good options for this.

OhioBuckeye · Post by **OhioBuckeye** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:58 am

Just read this thread and hooked up the clip and played a little snare/hh on the pad and bass kick with the clip and sounded good. This little WaveDrum mini is turning out to be a blast. Definitely a good purchase and one I would recommend.

I do agree with some of the reviews that it's not as predictable as you might want it to be but I think that it just might take some time to get used to and I also think that it may be possible with the effects/adjustments to make the specific sounds you want more definite and reliable. I haven't played around with these much yet.

OB

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:00 am

Thanks Wavedrummer and OhioBuckeye for your input... that helps a lot! It appears I can get closer to a full drumkit with a Wavedrum and a Wavedrum Mini than with 2 Wavedrums (I would have thought otherwise). I really like the idea of the Mini's clip, turning anything into a drum surface. And it makes sense to use the clip on your shoe for a bass drum - more natural that way.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:42 am

Preciesly why I am interested in doing some of waterdrums mods!

WaterDrum · Post by **WaterDrum** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:30 am

according to my experience with "clips"
it turned out that a bassdrum-pedal-trigger works very fine
as a "clip" although it is NOT recommended in the manual.

To be honest , I could not test this on a MINI myself , YET.
A standard Volume pedal in series with the bassdrum trigger
should keep this on the safe side , might not even be necessary.

Gizmo1300 · Post by **Gizmo1300** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:03 am

Thanks all
I have found that the combination of my mini (pad on 17 and clip on 14) with the wavedrum on snare 3 gives me the best combo. Plus I run mine through a mixer which allows me to up the treble to increase the cymbal effect on the mini.
Overall not too bad. The mini is a little unpredictable with some of the changes in hard strikes but most non drummers don't seem to notice.
I am loving the flexibility of having both the full and mini wavedrums

godoy777 · Post by **godoy777** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:26 pm

just as u wld not us a Moog to program a grand piano u wouldn't use a wavedrum to program a drumset... programs 58,59 are great for playing brasilian rhythms like samba reggae,maracatu and baile do funk

martygras · Post by **martygras** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:42 pm

godoy777 wrote:just as u wld not us a Moog to program a grand piano u wouldn't use a wavedrum to program a drumset... programs 58,59 are great for playing brasilian rhythms like samba reggae,maracatu and baile do funk

That analogy doesn't make sense (to me).

The wavedrum replicates real drums very well indeed. It sounds to me that even the loops have been made entirely from the wave drum algorithms.

WaveDrummer · Post by **WaveDrummer** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:14 am

godoy777 wrote:just as u wld not us a Moog to program a grand piano u wouldn't use a wavedrum to program a drumset...

This is something that seems to come up quite a bit. I would have to agree that the Wavedrum is not going to replicate a full kit very well, nor was designed to. Yes, you can get drumset sounds out of the Wavedrum, and some simulated patterns are possible, but ultimately it's not going to act as a replacement for a drumset.

martygras wrote:The wavedrum replicates real drums very well indeed. It sounds to me that even the loops have been made entirely from the wave drum algorithms.

Actually, I'm pretty sure many of the loops in the Silver and Black Wavedrum come from existing sound libraries that Korg has used in some of their keyboards in the past. However, the Oriental version definitely has some new Middle Eastern sounds in the loop section, and, to me, those sound like samples of real instruments being played—very impressive, however they were done.

godoy777 · Post by **godoy777** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:31 am

sorry, but i dont think the wavedrums strength is duplicating acoustic percussion, for that matter i don't think my handsonic does either,in most real world situations they'good enough,but playing or recording with an acoustic group they sound like electronic or amplified percussion, for DJing and playing electronic music it's an instrument thats hard to duplicate, for power, size,price and originality it's unique,but it's not a bongo...don't get me wrong i LOVE my wavedrum.

Gizmo1300 · Post by **Gizmo1300** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:35 am

Well I bit the bullet and now have an electronic drum kit as well
I have integrated the Wavedrum and Mini wavedrum into the set including the mini clip on a homemade foot beatbox.
Truely awsome combination

Thanks all for the feedback

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