In the past, Korg sequencers had the following design:
When a program or programs are loaded on tracks, whether the seq is playing or not, you were not allowed direct access to the specific program's edit page as would be directly from the program.
Roland synths, the ones I had owned did allow this.
That kind of function was very useful from an arrangement perspective because that means that when the entire sequence is playing, you can edit the specific sound fully and in context to the entire arrangement in real-time.
Stephan Kay and I had discussed this a while ago and he stated that he personally has tried to get Korg to change this.
Is kronos still the same?
Sequencer question...
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philmagnotta
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Korg did introduce 'tone adjust'.
It's not a full edit mode, but you get to assign up to 8 (I think?) controls to be modified in program mode. Say you pick a synth and the cutoff needs to be a bit brighter, you can adjust that with tone adjust and save it within the combi.
The sliders along the side also have a 'tone adjust mode' where you can control all of these parameters from the front panel.
It's not a full edit mode, but you get to assign up to 8 (I think?) controls to be modified in program mode. Say you pick a synth and the cutoff needs to be a bit brighter, you can adjust that with tone adjust and save it within the combi.
The sliders along the side also have a 'tone adjust mode' where you can control all of these parameters from the front panel.
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philmagnotta
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Don't think so. For one, resolution was improved from 192 to 480 PPQ. Also, on the audio recording side, bit depth was improved from 16 to 24.philmagnotta wrote:A little of topic, but I have heard that the sequencer in Kronos was a little down-graded from the Oasys. Is this correct?
Other than that, as far as I know, the sequencers are identical. What you probably heard -- correctly -- was that the Kronos sequencer was a downgrade from the M3 Xpanded sequencer...
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The Kronos seq. is the same as the O seq., with a better time resolution (btw, the Yamaha EX5 had a resolution of 480 ppqn back in 1998...).philmagnotta wrote:A little of topic, but I have heard that the sequencer in Kronos was a little down-graded from the Oasys. Is this correct?
The issue is that Korg have taken it from the O 'as is' instead of upgrading it with the enhancements the M3 Xpanded had received, i.e. Piano Roll Editing and Track View Editing, which make it a more useful and a more convenient on-board tool than the O seq. was.
Btw, another very useful and convenient feature the M3 Xpanded user interface had received and *not* the Kronos is Touch Drag Editing, i.e. editing of a value by dragging a slider or a knob on the touch screen.
Let's hope Korg will address that with an OS update...
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philmagnotta: Agreed....
Absence of full editing of Programs and Drum Kits (More annoying to me) from Sequencer and inability to change tracks while recording are the two issues that are keeping me from purchasing the KRONOS. I currently use Fantom-G as my main workstation, which offers both of these features. If there were KRONOS-m, I would have replaced my M3-m with it right away...
Absence of full editing of Programs and Drum Kits (More annoying to me) from Sequencer and inability to change tracks while recording are the two issues that are keeping me from purchasing the KRONOS. I currently use Fantom-G as my main workstation, which offers both of these features. If there were KRONOS-m, I would have replaced my M3-m with it right away...
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The term, "Workstation" with regards to Kronos is a little disappointing.
After watching as many videos about the K, I found most of the emphasis towards everything except the SEQ.
It seems that all the major workstation manufacturers follow this trend.
Sequencer development has taken a second seat to other features.
Certainly the K has a nice mix of sonic features and a lot of emphasis on pianos. but orchestral stings (being a violinist) takes a back seat to pianos.
I believe a flagship workstation should strive to have excellence in all instrument categories, sensible navigation and especially sequencer function.
The Kronos is suppose to be a compositional platform into which the stellar sound engines can be brought to fruition.
To me, sequencer functions have not kept up with other facilities on recent keyboards, because I guess the manufacturers assume we wish to use computers as main seq programs.
I feel sure that this is the present way that manufacturers wish to go.
I, for one, prefer to see a workstation as an opportunity to disconnect from the computer.
After watching as many videos about the K, I found most of the emphasis towards everything except the SEQ.
It seems that all the major workstation manufacturers follow this trend.
Sequencer development has taken a second seat to other features.
Certainly the K has a nice mix of sonic features and a lot of emphasis on pianos. but orchestral stings (being a violinist) takes a back seat to pianos.
I believe a flagship workstation should strive to have excellence in all instrument categories, sensible navigation and especially sequencer function.
The Kronos is suppose to be a compositional platform into which the stellar sound engines can be brought to fruition.
To me, sequencer functions have not kept up with other facilities on recent keyboards, because I guess the manufacturers assume we wish to use computers as main seq programs.
I feel sure that this is the present way that manufacturers wish to go.
I, for one, prefer to see a workstation as an opportunity to disconnect from the computer.
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I totally agree.philmagnotta wrote:The term, "Workstation" with regards to Kronos is a little disappointing.................I, for one, prefer to see a workstation as an opportunity to disconnect from the computer.
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Amen to that! But because so many people are using computers, manufacturers of DAW's are skimping in that area.philmagnotta wrote:I, for one, prefer to see a workstation as an opportunity to disconnect from the computer.
It would be nice to just sit down at the Kronos (or whatever DAW) and have the same functionality offered with popular sequencing software. Having to go from DAW to computer and back & forth between the two distracts from the creative process.
It would be nice if Korg (by means of software upgrade) could allow an external monitor (USB?) and a mouse and enhanced editing software built in.
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Well, the KRONOS sequencer is quite powerful, when you consider the streaming audio tracks. I have been just spoiled by Roland sequencers since XP-80 to sound design while writing the song in an iterative process... I record something keep looping, I would tweak the synth parameters, modify/layer drum keys.. add/remove notes.... all without stopping the sequencer.
For computer DAW and workstations....
I think there is a need for a universal audio/midi song file format, like there is a MIDI file standard. That way we could export/import complete songs with all MIDI and Audio tracks to/from DAW and Workstations that support audio tracks. This would allow easier switching or collaboration between workstations and DAWs. Each software and hardware company would provide software to import/export from/to for their workstations/DAWs and that format and it will be fun working with computers again.
I think Roland had the best universal MIDI song export option until Fantom-X. When you exported a song to MIDI file, it exported not only GM messages for tracks setup, but sysex for all synth and effects parameters for all tracks in the header. Once you had the file in your DAW and Fantom-X, you could easily continue writing on any and then just sync the MIDI tracks.
With Fantom-G I was hoping Roland would provide a utility to export the SONG into SONAR native project file and the other way around. That would be awesome.
KRONOS could do the same thing... provide import/export option for full songs to/from popular DAWs....... until there is a new Audio/MIDI song file standard.
For computer DAW and workstations....
I think there is a need for a universal audio/midi song file format, like there is a MIDI file standard. That way we could export/import complete songs with all MIDI and Audio tracks to/from DAW and Workstations that support audio tracks. This would allow easier switching or collaboration between workstations and DAWs. Each software and hardware company would provide software to import/export from/to for their workstations/DAWs and that format and it will be fun working with computers again.
I think Roland had the best universal MIDI song export option until Fantom-X. When you exported a song to MIDI file, it exported not only GM messages for tracks setup, but sysex for all synth and effects parameters for all tracks in the header. Once you had the file in your DAW and Fantom-X, you could easily continue writing on any and then just sync the MIDI tracks.
With Fantom-G I was hoping Roland would provide a utility to export the SONG into SONAR native project file and the other way around. That would be awesome.
KRONOS could do the same thing... provide import/export option for full songs to/from popular DAWs....... until there is a new Audio/MIDI song file standard.
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After watching as many videos about the K, I found most of the emphasis towards everything except the SEQ.
And If you realize that the Kronos sequecer is *almost* identical to the OASYS one, its easy to understand why, Phil.
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True.EXer wrote:The Kronos seq. is the same as the O seq., with a better time resolution (btw, the Yamaha EX5 had a resolution of 480 ppqn back in 1998...).philmagnotta wrote:A little of topic, but I have heard that the sequencer in Kronos was a little down-graded from the Oasys. Is this correct?
The issue is that Korg have taken it from the O 'as is' instead of upgrading it with the enhancements the M3 Xpanded had received, i.e. Piano Roll Editing and Track View Editing, which make it a more useful and a more convenient on-board tool than the O seq. was.
And +1
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I understand that the hd-1 can't be dropped into a combi with other engines.
Can any or all engines be loaded into various seq tracks? I would think so.
So, seq mode can be used in a similar manner as combi mode, that is, various programs across different channels except no restrictions about mixing engines when in seq mode?
Can any or all engines be loaded into various seq tracks? I would think so.
So, seq mode can be used in a similar manner as combi mode, that is, various programs across different channels except no restrictions about mixing engines when in seq mode?