About RH3 keybeds

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:44 pm

Hi pals.

Looking for some info for a friend interested in the SV-1, I came across this threath about some issues with the 73 RH3 keybeds.

As Kronos will be using the same RH3 keybeds and some of you have expressed your interest in this regard, I think it worths to know the input from SV1 users about such matter:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... sc&start=0

Regards.

OboKeyDrum · Post by **OboKeyDrum** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:43 pm

Though there were some problems they seem to have been fixed by replacing the keyboards in question...

I have another question about the RH3 keybed: Can you adjust the weight of the keys? I mean the actual feeling when you play the keys, not something like velocity curves...

Randelph · Post by **Randelph** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:06 pm

That's encouraging that a number of people were taken care of! That would be enormously frustrating and off putting to have clicking sounds coming from the keybed!!!

The RH3 has been used in many keyboards from Korg- and this is the first I've heard of this problem- so I wonder if it has anything to do with the SV-1 model in particular, like it was made in a different factory than most other RH3 keybeds, or it had to be modified in some way to accomadate the slim profile of this board.

I've got a lot of mechanical noise from the Fatar keybed on my Nord Stage 88, and its the only thing that I seriously don't like about the Stage- it's like my suspension of disbelief (that I'm playing a real piano with an amazing sound) is disrupted and pulled into the mundane details of a mechanically noisy keybed. Fortunately though there's no loud clicking like that one You Tube video where it could be heard even during loud playing.

Randy

OboKeyDrum · Post by **OboKeyDrum** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:56 pm

I am sure some M3 or M50 owners or maybe some officials happen to know if one can adjust the weight of the keys of an RH3 keybed...

In this case, I would be more than happy to know.

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:28 pm

Well I would certainly play the thing before you buy it. I have had my keyboard (sv-1 88) replaced for this issue, and though it is better than the first. I still have clicking keys. I have just learned to deal with it. I was pretty upset with the fact I had to settle after I had spent $2000. I would be even more frustrated if I paid $3500. My best advice is to come prepared to play some music with dynamics and range across the keyboard.

I think it is interesting that I have seen most complaints about the RH3 on the SV-1. I am curious to find out if its something particular to the design of the keyboard, or a lapse in QC on the RH3 manufacturing process.

I guess my final 2 cents is just to be cautioned. If I ever get a kronos it will be the 61 key synth action.

Randelph · Post by **Randelph** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:34 pm

macbaz wrote:

Well I would certainly play the thing before you buy it. I have had my keyboard (sv-1 8Cool replaced for this issue, and though it is better than the first. I still have clicking keys. I have just learned to deal with it. I was pretty upset with the fact I had to settle after I had spent $2000. I would be even more frustrated if I paid $3500. My best advice is to come prepared to play some music with dynamics and range across the keyboard.

I think it is interesting that I have seen most complaints about the RH3 on the SV-1. I am curious to find out if its something particular to the design of the keyboard, or a lapse in QC on the RH3 manufacturing process.

You've learned to live with it and its not as bad as it was- does that mean it only happens on a few keys for you, and its not as loud? With you're first SV-1, did it get worse over time? How about your second SV-1? Did you get any clarification on what was causing it? Very interested 'cause i'll probably get the K73!

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing about this being particular to the SV-1- 'cause presumably there's a lot more M3-88's, M50-88s and other Korg keyboards that use the RH3 keybed, and this is the only RH3 Korg i've heard of with this problem.

Randy

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:53 pm

2 points.

1. Has any M3 owners suffered this issue?

2. Korg does take care of it's customers to make them happy. I had a problem with my Triton Pro when I first bought it and they first replaced the keybed then eventually drop shipped me a new one from the factory. Jerry K, thanks again for taking care of this. You will be missed (from Korg of course).

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:45 pm

Randelph wrote:macbaz wrote:
Well I would certainly play the thing before you buy it. I have had my keyboard (sv-1 8Cool replaced for this issue, and though it is better than the first. I still have clicking keys. I have just learned to deal with it. I was pretty upset with the fact I had to settle after I had spent $2000. I would be even more frustrated if I paid $3500. My best advice is to come prepared to play some music with dynamics and range across the keyboard.

I think it is interesting that I have seen most complaints about the RH3 on the SV-1. I am curious to find out if its something particular to the design of the keyboard, or a lapse in QC on the RH3 manufacturing process.
You've learned to live with it and its not as bad as it was- does that mean it only happens on a few keys for you, and its not as loud? With you're first SV-1, did it get worse over time? How about your second SV-1? Did you get any clarification on what was causing it? Very interested 'cause i'll probably get the K73!

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing about this being particular to the SV-1- 'cause presumably there's a lot more M3-88's, M50-88s and other Korg keyboards that use the RH3 keybed, and this is the only RH3 Korg i've heard of with this problem.

Randy

Yes. There are only a few keys that seem more loose than the others. They are certainly more susceptible to clicks than the other keys, but it is not as bad as the last keyboard. I could hear the clicks while using my headphones on the old one.

and as McHale pointed out, Korg did take care of me... at least Korg USA. They have little power to actually correct the issue that's inherent to the sv-1, so they did the best with what they had.

I would definitely play the 73k Kronos before purchasing though. I know it seems that the SV-1s are the only ones with the issues, but there is a chance the kronos could suffer from it as well. There's no way to tell before you actually get your hands on it.

Devnor · Post by **Devnor** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:14 pm

At least in my local GC stores, the 73 key SV1 is not wearing well. There are gaps and the keybed feels "clunky". Other boards (Fantom, Motif XS) play as expected and without these gaps. I can't imagine being in the market for a stage piano and still wanting an SV1 after playing these demo units.

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:20 pm

Devnor wrote:At least in my local GC stores, the 73 key SV1 is not wearing well. There are gaps and the keybed feels "clunky". Other boards (Fantom, Motif XS) play as expected and without these gaps. I can't imagine being in the market for a stage piano and still wanting an SV1 after playing these demo units.

After saying that I am surprised you have a keyboard on order with the same keybed.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:29 pm

I'm told that the KRONOS keybed is slightly different from the SV-1, with different rubber parts for a smoother feel. I don't have any more details, however (keybeds are done in Japan, not by my group here in the states).

- Dan

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:45 pm

danatkorg wrote:I'm told that the KRONOS keybed is slightly different from the SV-1, with different rubber parts for a smoother feel. I don't have any more details, however (keybeds are done in Japan, not by my group here in the states).

- Dan

Who do I have to pay to get that improved keybed in my SV?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:01 pm

mackbaz wrote:
danatkorg wrote:I'm told that the KRONOS keybed is slightly different from the SV-1, with different rubber parts for a smoother feel. I don't have any more details, however (keybeds are done in Japan, not by my group here in the states).

- Dan
Who do I have to pay to get that improved keybed in my SV?

Probably the same person I'd have to pay to get the new Jetta's engine in my older model, or to get Snow Leopard to run on my G5.

- Dan

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:34 pm

danatkorg wrote:
mackbaz wrote:Who do I have to pay to get that improved keybed in my SV?
Probably the same person I'd have to pay to get the new Jetta's engine in my older model, or to get Snow Leopard to run on my G5.

- Dan

touche'

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:38 pm

danatkorg wrote:
mackbaz wrote:
danatkorg wrote:I'm told that the KRONOS keybed is slightly different from the SV-1, with different rubber parts for a smoother feel. I don't have any more details, however (keybeds are done in Japan, not by my group here in the states).

- Dan
Who do I have to pay to get that improved keybed in my SV?
Probably the same person I'd have to pay to get the new Jetta's engine in my older model, or to get Snow Leopard to run on my G5.

- Dan

Well I can see that's a joke. If only I could get a a solid keybed I'd be so satisfied with the SV-1. I suppose I will continue to deal with the noise.

I really hope the issue is fixed with the Kronos, because I like about every other aspect of Korg's products. This could be really damaging to what seems like a great product.