Fixed Velocity - request

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Fixed Velocity - request

Post by perotinus »

Hi Korg's Crew ;)

2 cents from a professional musician and big Korg fan ;)

It would be nice to see M3 OS (and also all future products) with added one parameter to the COMBI mode on page 4: Zone/Delay called e.g. "fixed velocity", that will let us set one velocity level for each timbre. Regardless how hard we then press a key during playing on the keyboard, produced velocity of this timbre will be always fixed, based on a setting of this parameter. I think that the range of values for this parameter should be Off/1-127 (default Off).

Suppose we have this parameter implemented. We chose COMBI mode and into timbre 1 we load "strings" program. Next we set value of fixed velocity to 100. When we play this timbre, all notes have constant velocities of 100. It isn't important how hard we hit keys. Generated sounds are always at the same volume level. I think it's helpful and very useful thing!

If it could be implemented it will help us program sounds that we don't want to be velocity sensitive (organs etc.). I think it could be big, practical update and I hope it isn't too hard to implement.

In the current OS (I have 2.0.4) Page 4: Amp modulation > Velocity intensity parameter set to zero in Program mode isn't quite enaugh to get sounds played always at the same, constant volume level (no matter how hard we press a key on the keyboard)

Fixed Velocity solves this issue and makes life much easier ;)

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Post by Sharp »

If you set your volume in COMBI mode, and then switch off Touch Sense in Global mode does that give you the same thing your after here?

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Post by perotinus »

I have OS v2.0.4 in my XPanded M3 and in Global Mode there is no option to switch off Touch Sense of the keyboard.

But even if it was Sharp - you've right I could do that, but when I'd switch off Touch Sense in Global mode it would be switched off completly in all Timbres and I won't be able to switch it on in Timbres with e.g. piano sound (I use a lot of splits where piano must be played with normal velocity map and backing tracks like strings with fixed velocity).

I think that's good idea to have ability to program fixed velocity or - as you said - switch off Touch Sense but not in Global Mode but in Combi Mode for each Timbre. It's much more useful and practical to me.

anyway, many thanks for your reply Sharp! I hope Korg will consider this...

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Post by Sharp »

I think for now then the only way to do what you want is to modify the programs in PROG mode and then insert them into your COMBI.

It's not exactly ideal, but at least it's a workable idea at this moment in time.

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Post by perotinus »

thanks Sharp!

That's the point. It's not ideal and costs more time. I hope Korg will fix it in next updates.

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Post by kanthos »

I'm not sure this is wildly useful. For many of the programs where you'd want fixed velocity, you'd probably want that all the time, so you might as well edit your program to make it fixed velocity. I mean, if you're going to be concerned about the authenticity of your organ program, why wouldn't you *always* want it to behave the same way? And if it's really necessary to have both, just keep both programs around.

A much more worthwhile suggestion, in my opinion, is to get rid of a number of parameters in a combi; anything that is better suited for being a parameter on a program (for example, pitch bend range that overrides a program's pitch bend range should be dropped, while a program's level and pan values should not). In its place, store full versions of the programs used in the combi, and provide a UI to edit them properly. Perhaps fixed velocity and some other things would be displayed in a simplified UI, but the point of my idea is to let you start with a base program and tweak it for a specific combi without using more program slots. Of course, there could also be a way to revert to the original program, ideally temporarily and without overwriting the edits you've made.
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Post by perotinus »

Ok Kanthos I see your point of view and I agree that I could edit Programs (that's btw. what I have to do now with no other, better option on the board), but please, imagine the situation in which I have many Programs to edit for a gig. If 30 of them need to be played on the same volume level, then l I have to program these 30 sounds again and next save them to new location. Besides, there's no good way to set fully fixed velocity in Program Mode - belive me I tried it many times with "velocity intensity" parameter set to 0 in program mode and some piano sounds always let me feel difference in sound or timbre level when I hit keys with more or less pressure.

You know, I'm a gigging musician and spending my music time on programming (I usually use 6-7 synths on the stage plus other stuff) is a lot boring and time stealin' (what with time to practice, studio? ;). Many M3's factory presets are so beautiful, that I just want to assign them to timbres, make some small adjustments, set volume, splits, layers, switch on or off velocity scale (to make it linear or just fixed that will let me play a part of timbres on the chosen one velocity level) and... play!

I must agree that I want the velocity of a timbre to be fixed all the time during playing such programmed Combi. But why I have first to edit programs and save 2-3 copies of the same Program if i could have only one?

Some genres of music like jazz fusion, prog & art rock, metal and a few more don't need too many parameters to edit. Chose a sounds, make some settings, name & save combi and play. Leads, backing strings, some pianos on solos or brass patches are very often programmed to play them next at the same level of sound.

There is one more important word to say... I've been always a big fan of Korg! I usually say: "Korg and Kurzweil... and all the rest". Kurzweil instruments in setup mode (equivalent of Korg's Combi Mode as you probably know) have two very good parameters on the key/velocity page called: "velocity scale" (set in % +/-) and "velocity offset" (0-127 and inverse of it). Second of them adds proggramed, fixed value to the velocity produced on the keyboard during playing. So... If Velocity scale = 100% and velocity offset = 30, then when you hit key with e.g. vel.=60 it will be 90. But if you set "velocity scale" to 0 (zero) %, then velocity offset set to 100, will make always all notes with velocity=100 regardless of your preasure on a keys. It's practical and belive me... widely useful!

I don't want to argue with anyone... We are all musicians. All I want is make Korg synts a bit better (same like you I think) heh... better is wrong word 'cause Korg is the best!

I'm sure that fixed velocity parameter (or something like that) in Combi Mode would help make Korg's synthesizers a bit better and more intuitive. It would easily help people like me to focus more on playing and less on programming. That's my point of view...

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Post by McHale »

perotinus wrote:I hope Korg will fix it in next updates.
um....

updates?


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Sorry McHale, of course UPDATE (!) - the final one that will turn M3 into true stage and studio Emperor.

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