Hi, basically
im trying to tranfer on-board sounds from my Korg X50 to create a duplicate MIDI libary on my PC and be able to put that into Ableton Live / Lite 7.
I've got the Korg X50 set up as a MIDI controller and it is driving the sounds from ableton but i wish to duplicate the X50 libary if possible (if not then im screwed).
Transfering On-board sounds to a libary on the PC
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From what I understand this is not possible. The x-50 only sends analog signals (through the 1/4" jacks) and MIDI outputs (the USB only sends MIDI data). There is no digital output on the board, which is what you'd need to transfer files to a computer.
Unless you could take apart the board and somehow get your PC to interface with the x-50 directly, you are unfortunately "screwed" (furthermore, it is very unlikely the x-50 and Ableton even recognize the same files, but I don't know).
Do people ever record their own MIDI libraries (i.e. record every note)? Is that a ridiculous idea? You could do some cool s**t.
Unless you could take apart the board and somehow get your PC to interface with the x-50 directly, you are unfortunately "screwed" (furthermore, it is very unlikely the x-50 and Ableton even recognize the same files, but I don't know).
Do people ever record their own MIDI libraries (i.e. record every note)? Is that a ridiculous idea? You could do some cool s**t.
You can't transfer the 'sounds of the X50' into anything else that would allow you to play them. Sure you can sample them but it wouldn't be the same, and it would take a long time.
The X50 is a synthesizer - which is a standalone instrument. Part of that instrument is the actual sound generation blocks. It isn't simply playing back a sound, it has a set of parameters to tell it which samples to start from, and then how velocity and controllers alter the pitch/speed and then filters to change the tone, an amplifier block to adjust the level of the sample over time to get different attack/decay/release characteristics. All of those parameters are unique to the X50 so you couldn't just drop them into another piece of software, which wouldn't have the same synthesis engine, parameters, or ROM samples.
You can however record the actual sounds (performance) that you play into the computer. You would need an stereo audio interface or sound card, then you would hook up the L/Mono and R jacks to this audio interface and record the sounds into your computer. Much in the same way you would record vocals or guitar or anything else.
MIDI is a control protocol that allows you to send messages from the X50 keyboard to play plugin software synthesizers on your computer (which would have their own samples and sound generation engine), and it allows you to sequence notes in a DAW software and send that MIDI back to the X50 to get it to 'play itself' (in fact, the DAW is playing the X50. Then if you wanted a final WAV recording you would still need to get the audio from the X50 back into the computer using an aforementioned audio interface).
The X50 is a synthesizer - which is a standalone instrument. Part of that instrument is the actual sound generation blocks. It isn't simply playing back a sound, it has a set of parameters to tell it which samples to start from, and then how velocity and controllers alter the pitch/speed and then filters to change the tone, an amplifier block to adjust the level of the sample over time to get different attack/decay/release characteristics. All of those parameters are unique to the X50 so you couldn't just drop them into another piece of software, which wouldn't have the same synthesis engine, parameters, or ROM samples.
You can however record the actual sounds (performance) that you play into the computer. You would need an stereo audio interface or sound card, then you would hook up the L/Mono and R jacks to this audio interface and record the sounds into your computer. Much in the same way you would record vocals or guitar or anything else.
MIDI is a control protocol that allows you to send messages from the X50 keyboard to play plugin software synthesizers on your computer (which would have their own samples and sound generation engine), and it allows you to sequence notes in a DAW software and send that MIDI back to the X50 to get it to 'play itself' (in fact, the DAW is playing the X50. Then if you wanted a final WAV recording you would still need to get the audio from the X50 back into the computer using an aforementioned audio interface).
Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
for recording / performance, i have a Focusrite Saffire 6 USB, ive got both of the 1'4 inch jacks in both ports so i am able to record / perform at a higher quality.
but im more familliar with the midi side and not audio recording side, like, if i was making a rather complex piece of music, i would like not to make a mistake in the audio recording, but as for midi i would be able to undo that mistake and move the note where i wanted it.
im also thinking about buying Ableton Orchestra (http://ableton.com/oic)
but im not sure seeing as my korg wont be able to record on board sounds but i can still use it as a MIDI controller.
the sounds in the libary of the Ableton version which i have now do play, its just i need to change the buffer rate and it sounds pretty bad because the audio is looped and there is a blip at the end, i dont want to spend around £400 on this program to find out if does exactly the same with the blips.
would Logic Pro be a better choice of music enginerring / creating?
install the Ableton Orchestra on a Mac, open up Logic, let Logic find the VST's and then record as im more familliar with Logic and GarageBand.
but im more familliar with the midi side and not audio recording side, like, if i was making a rather complex piece of music, i would like not to make a mistake in the audio recording, but as for midi i would be able to undo that mistake and move the note where i wanted it.
im also thinking about buying Ableton Orchestra (http://ableton.com/oic)
but im not sure seeing as my korg wont be able to record on board sounds but i can still use it as a MIDI controller.
the sounds in the libary of the Ableton version which i have now do play, its just i need to change the buffer rate and it sounds pretty bad because the audio is looped and there is a blip at the end, i dont want to spend around £400 on this program to find out if does exactly the same with the blips.
would Logic Pro be a better choice of music enginerring / creating?
install the Ableton Orchestra on a Mac, open up Logic, let Logic find the VST's and then record as im more familliar with Logic and GarageBand.
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it sounds like you're doing things backwards, your DAW should be the midi controller (it transmits midi to your x50), your X50 synthesizes the sound and you should record it.
It's beyond me why you should think sampling sounds for use in ableton is a good idea, as X-Trade pointed out there are so many different parameters which go into producing the sounds, trying to sample things makes no sense.
It's beyond me why you should think sampling sounds for use in ableton is a good idea, as X-Trade pointed out there are so many different parameters which go into producing the sounds, trying to sample things makes no sense.
I don't see a problem here, just that if you were recording and you decided to move a note, you'd have to re-record the playback from the x50.if i was making a rather complex piece of music, i would like not to make a mistake in the audio recording, but as for midi i would be able to undo that mistake and move the note where i wanted it.
The way I do it, I work in program mode for a start or occasionally use an entire combi as a 'program', to get around the problems with IFX when using multi-mode or sequencer. Same with other MIDI synths I have which are not multitimbral.
I use the keyboard to record the performance as MIDI, then make any changes or adjustments or additions to the MIDI (e.g. add a harmony, or bass notes, etc), then send that back out to the synth whilst recording the audio this time. Mute or delete the MIDI track afterwards. Muting the MIDI track also means if I want to revisit that part, change the notes or the sound, I can go through the latter half of the process again. Or even just to keep track of what I've already done for scoring etc.
I use the keyboard to record the performance as MIDI, then make any changes or adjustments or additions to the MIDI (e.g. add a harmony, or bass notes, etc), then send that back out to the synth whilst recording the audio this time. Mute or delete the MIDI track afterwards. Muting the MIDI track also means if I want to revisit that part, change the notes or the sound, I can go through the latter half of the process again. Or even just to keep track of what I've already done for scoring etc.
Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
I don't see the point of using any sampler/ROMpler keyboard as a sound module for a DAW any more. In fact, I don't see much point of sample-based sound modules, period, in a DAW environment. For live use, it's a different story - when you don't want to use a computer. But DAW = computer present, and software sample libraries far exceed what most modules can do.
The X50 has 64MB of ROM. VI.ONE by Big Fish Audio is $99 or less, for example. It has 2,000+ instruments and 21 gigabytes of samples, along with Kontact Player 2. It will give you a lot more capability for much less money, time, and effort. It has 300+ times the sample wave library (in MB) as the X50. Softsynths also handle the digital synthesis side of things rather well. Now I'm not getting into the analog vs. digital synths wars, since there's a place for vintage stuff in a studio and live context. I'm talking about 44.1Khz/16bit based digital sample hardware vs. software sample libraries (at 44.1Khz/16 or higher), ie. digital vs. digital.
The X50 has 64MB of ROM. VI.ONE by Big Fish Audio is $99 or less, for example. It has 2,000+ instruments and 21 gigabytes of samples, along with Kontact Player 2. It will give you a lot more capability for much less money, time, and effort. It has 300+ times the sample wave library (in MB) as the X50. Softsynths also handle the digital synthesis side of things rather well. Now I'm not getting into the analog vs. digital synths wars, since there's a place for vintage stuff in a studio and live context. I'm talking about 44.1Khz/16bit based digital sample hardware vs. software sample libraries (at 44.1Khz/16 or higher), ie. digital vs. digital.
Hi all!!!
I can't beleave that there is no one that can share new microX patches!!!!
Please, post some new or well imported combi-programs for microX.
I'm trying to import from triton or X50 but the results are almost bad...
Another question: exist a librarian software for microX?
In witch way can I build a library of combi - prog and, after, combine it in banks for various live performances? The way to save each single sound and after re-import is really boring...
Ciao
Cippino
I can't beleave that there is no one that can share new microX patches!!!!
Please, post some new or well imported combi-programs for microX.
I'm trying to import from triton or X50 but the results are almost bad...
Another question: exist a librarian software for microX?
In witch way can I build a library of combi - prog and, after, combine it in banks for various live performances? The way to save each single sound and after re-import is really boring...
Ciao
Cippino