Seq Anger!

[ricard]

This is my purpose: To create and edit sequences using DAW software in my home studio (Using Nuendo in my case). Then I want m3 sequencer playing the song (or songs) for live performace purposes. It's that so strange? Am I so freak?.
I'm only using m3 as a tone generator and I want to use KARMA. I have recorded it in two passes: One for the note events, and another for controlling karma on/off, karma scenes and Drum Track. The sequence plays perfectly with Nuendo as a master once recorded.
I tried the following things in order to play the sequence from m3 sequencer:
- Exporting the song as SMF and then importing it in the m3. The result: tracks and midi channel misbehaviour.
- Recording the song on the m3 while Nuendo is playing in sync. The result: M3 SYSTEM ERROR at the end of the recording (caused by sysex events used for controlling KARMA).
- Recording the events KARMA is playing for each channel/track in NUENDO in order of exporting individual events instead of KARAMA control. The result: DRUM TRACK events appear on EVERY channel / track I have recorded.

I can't belive that is so hard to achieve!!!.

Is there any shortcut that I can't see?. Should I have bought a macbook for live performace? Am I getting old?.

Please help, I'm sick!.

[Shakil]

I can't belive that is so hard to achieve!!!.

Yup, some times it is very hard to achieve simplest things.

Question for you... How are you assigning sounds to tracks in Nuendo?

The way I work with M3 if I use external sequencer, DAW or other sequencer, is to have all the setup, sounds, levels, mixer settings, KARMA, RPPR, effects on M3 song file.

I use a corresponding song file in DAW that only has notes for each track. No program/bank change messages, no GM reset message (This is VERY important), no controllers except automation during the song (make sure 'reset controllers at startup' is not checked in your DAW).

To handle all sysex related settings (KARMA on/off, scenes, etc), I do them on M3. It's much much simpler on M3 itself because you actually see the commands in text, not hex code.

After the recording is done and song is finished. I save both song files (M3 and DAW).

Then I Dump song settings from M3 into DAW.

Then I export the song from DAW as SMF.

Then import back to M3 into a new song location.

[ricard]

Question for you... How are you assigning sounds to tracks in Nuendo?

The way I work with M3 if I use external sequencer, DAW or other sequencer, is to have all the setup, sounds, levels, mixer settings, KARMA, RPPR, effects on M3 song file.

I use a corresponding song file in DAW that only has notes for each track. No program/bank change messages, no GM reset message (This is VERY important), no controllers except automation during the song (make sure 'reset controllers at startup' is not checked in your DAW).

Thak you for your answer. I am Keeping it as simple as possible. No program changes (actually I never needed them), no GM, no reset (yes chase events: I will try to avoid that too) no M3 editor. Only note events and continuous controllers.

To handle all sysex related settings (KARMA on/off, scenes, etc), I do them on M3. It's much much simpler on M3 itself because you actually see the commands in text, not hex code.

Do you mean recording secene changes into the m3 sequencer?. How to edit the events later if necessary (always is necessary for me)?.

Then I Dump song settings from M3 into DAW.

I don't see the need of dumping song settinngs into DAW since them remain into the m3 song location after you import an SMF. If that's necessary, how to make it? Which channel should I use?.

[Shakil]

ricard.

In M3 Global Midi settings, disable all bank/program, sysex, GM ON.

Nuendo might be putting GM reset when you export to SMF. Have looked into event list on M3 to make sure no program changes have been inserted at startup. To make this step easier, I leave 1-2 blank measures in song before exporting to SMF. Then I can just deleted first measure of all tracks.

Do you mean recording secene changes into the m3 sequencer?. How to edit the events later if necessary (always is necessary for me)?.

You can either edit them on M3, or export song back to SMF from M3, and copy the KARAM sysex in Nuendo and edit there.

[ricard]

Many thanks for your answers. Now I'm not in front of the M3, but I will follow your indications ASAP. I still leave 1 measure for another reason: Having Nuendo and m3 in sync when notes begin to play. On the other hand I think program changes are not the problem (Anyway, I will browse it). The problem is that the channels do not correspond when importing SMF file into M3. I've tried to create 16 tracks in Nuendo, one for each track of the M3, despite of some of them are not used. But during the exporting-importing process tracks without data are avoided and M3 pile the other tracks assigning diferent channel.
In short: too many things to take into consideration. Too much mental effort at the expense of musical inspiration. In spite of this I'll keep trying.

Regards

[Shakil]

Do you export SMF 0 for SMF 1 format?

[ricard]

I've tried both, but usually format 1.

[ricard]

I've find this in the Parameter Guide: "The data from the internal sequencer is not input to the KARMA Modules. Note data from the internal sequencer cannot be used as triggers to cause the KARMA function to generate phrases." So here is one of my mistakes: I was intending to trigger Karma modules with long notes recorded into internal track.I should record karma generated events (I know it is possible cause I did it without realizing). So there is no need of recording sysex data in order to control karma modules because karma should be innactive during playback. I'm on the right track?

[Shakil]

Yes, the key is 'internal' sequencer.

I use external sequencer and that way it works. But, SONG is not 'playing' on M3. The song plays on the external sequencer.

[ricard]

I see it. My point is to play the song on M3 in order to only take the keyboard and a couple of cables for live performance. Finally I've achieved it!. Now I record the song into Nuendo (only Karma input, not generated data). Then Nuendo plays and triggers Karma while M3 is recording de generated events into its internal sequencer. Taking on account:
- Multi REC has to be actived.
- Record switched "ON" on the appropiate tracks.
- Local control ON.
- Clock: external USB; receive external control.
- A lot of things now I don't remember; I will edit later...

[Shakil]

That's great!!