3 simple questions on the m3!

triton_951 · Post by **triton_951** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:25 am

Hi everybody!

I'm almost a new owner of an M3 and I just have a few questions about it!

1. I am a classical piano player since 10 years and I bought a triton prox 2 years ago. I just want to know if the EDS or M3's pianos sounds good also for practicing classical piano!? Be sure I don't buy the M3 for the piano sound but it will be useful because I'm tired of the Acoustic Piano on the Triton...

2. Is RH3 on the M3 "better" than RH2 featured on the triton extreme and the oasys?

3. I made a lot of music on my triton... The solution I found is to "recreate" my Triton in user banks on the m3 with Tritools and M3 editor. The question is: Is it the best solution? because this is a really really long process...

Thanks everybody for answering these questions!!! I can't wait to get my hands on the M3! Andrew

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:17 am

1. I am a classical piano player since 10 years and I bought a triton prox 2 years ago. I just want to know if the EDS or M3's pianos sounds good also for practicing classical piano!?

EDS ??

The M3 acoustic pianos are VERY good, as long as you open up the velocity to +8 or +9

Its a simple edit in Global

chilly · Post by **chilly** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:34 pm

Can i add another simple question?

This what i have read on karmalab forum
"M3:
-- Custom sound chip based on HD-1 design
-- Radias chip (on EXB-Radias board)
-- 320x240 Color LCD Touchscreen (5 in. diagonal??) w/ XY mode
-- x amount of RAM to run OS and software
-- 256MB of compressed Sound ROM
-- 64MB of Sample RAM, expandable to 320MB
-- Control surface elements (keys, buttons, sliders -- no knobs)
-- audio inputs (2 analog [1/4"], S/PDIF)
-- audio outputs (6 analog [1/4"], S/PDIF, optional Firewire)
-- no internal hard drive
-- no internal CD burner

OASYS
-- generic (more powerful) PC processing chip
-- 10.4 in. diagonal Color LCD Touchscreen
-- 1GB (or 2GB) of RAM to run and hold everything
-- 628MB of uncompressed samples (effectively loaded as if ROM)
-- 200MB to 1.5GB Sample RAM (depending what Instruments are loaded)
-- Control surface elements (keys, buttons, sliders, knobs)
-- audio inputs (4 analog [2 XLR-1/4", 2 1/4"], S/PDIF) XLR Oasys audio inputs support 48V phantom power
-- audio outputs (10 analog [1/4"], S/PDIF, optional ADAT)
-- internal hard drive
-- internal CD burner "

Question:
So i am intrestin in this line "generic (more powerful) PC processing chip ", so this means that oassys sound better them m3 with the same setup?

Coronado · Post by **Coronado** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:03 pm

so this means that oassys sound better them m3 with the same setup?

NO! The only reason why the Oasys could sound better then the M3 (using the same outputs, e.g. S/PDIF) is the fact that the onboard samples are uncompressed. The processor has nothing to do with that. It only means you could run heavier/more applications, higher polyphony, more effects etc. The sound engine and the samples, together with the output (DA conversion or not) make the sound. The more versatile sound engine, with it's applications, making use of the more powerful processor, could however make the Oasys sound "better" then the M3. The processor by itself, no.
Then again.. what is better? This is all a matter of taste. This goes as well for the other questions in this thread. When does a piano sound better.

I have tried the Pianoteq Vsti plugin, which is a physically modeled piano. I think it sounds incredible. So do several other players, among which well known specialists. But.. it is a simple sound, like a piano should be. No beefed up sample library. You can do that yourself. As you would have to do when you record a real piano. A lot of people though, find the pianoteq sound crappy... I think because of the lack of effects. It doesn't sound BIG, out of the box. It sounds real!! Just to illustrate the difference in taste and in what is "better". You decide!

chilly · Post by **chilly** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:58 pm

Thanks Condo for clear answer!!!

P.S. so still i am considering about idea to but m3...

chilly · Post by **chilly** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:01 pm

i have another question:

Korg relized fwe add-ons

EX1, EX2 and EX3 for assys.

Is this possible to buy it and install to M3?

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:59 pm

No.

I suggest you visit the Korg.com website and read about the features and options of the M3.

Coronado · Post by **Coronado** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:15 am

chilly wrote:Thanks Condo for clear answer!!!

P.S. so still i am considering about idea to but m3...

You're welcome. You will love the M3, it's a great instrument.

triton_951 · Post by **triton_951** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 am

Sorry to interrupt your conversation but does somebody knows the answer to my questions!? Thanks!!!

shrike · Post by **shrike** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:37 am

1. I am a classical piano player since 10 years and I bought a triton prox 2 years ago. I just want to know if the EDS or M3's pianos sounds good also for practicing classical piano!? Be sure I don't buy the M3 for the piano sound but it will be useful because I'm tired of the Acoustic Piano on the Triton...

You'll be satisfied with M3 piano. But, don't believe me or anyone else, go to music store and try for your self, just equip your self with earphones you are used to.

2. Is RH3 on the M3 "better" than RH2 featured on the triton extreme and the oasys?

In my opinion it's excellent.

3. I made a lot of music on my triton... The solution I found is to "recreate" my Triton in user banks on the m3 with Tritools and M3 editor. The question is: Is it the best solution? because this is a really really long process...

You'll have to recreate many things - programs will be the most difficult and I doubt Editor and Tritools will help, you'll have to do it manually or sample sounds from Triton.
Sequences can be stored as SMF and loaded to M3 so no problem there, just be sure to assign proper programs to sequencer tracks.

zorg · Post by **zorg** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:19 am

2. Is RH3 on the M3 "better" than RH2 featured on the triton extreme and the oasys?

I would see the difference between RH2 and RH3 as this:

RH3 keys feel closer to a real piano. The keys have nice resistance before they trigger sound and you can feel that 'point-of-no-return'. It feels more like a real piano keyboard (compared to RH2).

RH2 keys are half way between synth non-weighted and piano weighted keys. The point of triggering is less obvious and, therefore, less finger strength is involved. Therefore, it is easer to play pad and drum parts on RH2.

If you are a piano style player and you mainly whant to play piano parts on it, I would suggest RH3. If you are coming from a synth-style keyboard background, but would like a keyboard that gives you a bit of both worlds, go for RH2.

Hope this makes sense

PS. This is my personal opinion, of course, and it worked well for me (RH2 is my choice). But, as others said, you need to test it for yourself.

triton_951 · Post by **triton_951** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:40 pm

Thanks Zorg for your excellent response and also thanks to everybody else.
This means I'll be real happy with RH3!

See Ya! Andrew

Coronado · Post by **Coronado** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:23 am

triton_951 wrote:Sorry to interrupt your conversation but does somebody knows the answer to my questions!? Thanks!!!

I'm sorry I didn't made that clear, but I was also answering your questions (partly). Basically telling you to hear for yourself, because there is no such thing as better, when it comes to a sound. It all depends on your taste, expectations and use of the sound. My piano sound example to illustrate that.

Converting the Triton sounds is a time consuming job. I do not see the editor really help you there much. It can make editing a little more comfortable, but a real help in this specific job. I wouldn't know why. There is now way to import Triton data, if that is what your looking for. I wish you a lot of patience..