Korg Radias vs. Access Virus TI—an unfair comparison . . .

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It's here!!!!

Payed the price... unpacked... made big eyes... installed everything... played. Overwhelming piece!!! *Now* I know what a synthesizer is.

Then tried out the use as plugin in Cubase. Not overwhelmed, maybe not really pre-informed about this.
It's stable by now, but: Only one instance allowed.
And I didn't figure out yet how to use the multimode in VirusControl.... I can only hear part1, even if I load sounds into other slots and select these... Now tell me:
Can I only record one track with only one sound with Virus as plugin and have to export it to audio everytime? If yes, then this really sucks... and I might reconsider my deal.
I thought I could make use of it cos I can make some ressources free on the PC... but with only one instance/sound this doesn't really help a lot and makes me think of getting a new pc instead :-/
Though I really love the Virus as standalone already... if only I had enough money to get both.

Okay I know this isn't the Virus support forum but maybe someone of you can still help me :) Cheers
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Polarelh wrote:It's here!!!!

Payed the price... unpacked... made big eyes... installed everything... played. Overwhelming piece!!! *Now* I know what a synthesizer is.

Then tried out the use as plugin in Cubase. Not overwhelmed, maybe not really pre-informed about this.
It's stable by now, but: Only one instance allowed.
And I didn't figure out yet how to use the multimode in VirusControl.... I can only hear part1, even if I load sounds into other slots and select these... Now tell me:
Can I only record one track with only one sound with Virus as plugin and have to export it to audio everytime? If yes, then this really sucks... and I might reconsider my deal.
I thought I could make use of it cos I can make some ressources free on the PC... but with only one instance/sound this doesn't really help a lot and makes me think of getting a new pc instead :-/
Though I really love the Virus as standalone already... if only I had enough money to get both.

Okay I know this isn't the Virus support forum but maybe someone of you can still help me :) Cheers
The Virus TI is a great machine! I don't use VC and only standalone because of aforementioned restrictions. However...

I find the RADIAS better in the higher registers (no aliasing), also the Bass on the RADIAS can be made to sound fatter (and dirtier) than the TI. I would recommend having both as they complement each other very well...money money money.... :wink:

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Post by Polarelh »

...money money money....
which I don't have :)
If I had enough money, I would also get the Radias, *and* a new PC.
For the price of the Polar, I can get the Desktop version and a new PC,
and if I would have enough space in my room, I could get me the keyboard version.
So I thought the Polar was a good compromise, but one aspect why I got this is hardly valid.... it's *not* really giving me more CPU headroom in my Cubase productions.
So I wonder if I keep it, or get another version..... or get the Radias first and start saving again for the Virus :(
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Post by Polarelh »

Okay.....
the problem is solved... the Virus rocksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my first "real" synth, after 25 years of making music I finally got what I was looking for since the 80s.... :D
I just made a first project with several Virus tracks... and already now I can tell that this thingy gives me more creative possibilities than I got ever before. Finally, the music that sounds in my mind can come to reality!
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Post by DimensionFour »

After having the Virus for nearly 7 months... I'm selling it.
By a coincidence (I was flying to Europe and in the plane was using soft synths on my laptop) I realized that the Ti is not really that outstanding.
Rob Papen Albino, Blue and Predator do basically same thing that Ti does. And s**t they sound very impressive.

I was never a fan of soft synths till that 3 weeks trip.
After I came home I used the Ti maybe 2-3 times... and then it hit me. :)

So bye bye Ti for me. You're good but not worth all that $$.
I'm keeping cash for the Nord Wave as I can bet my ass it will give sounds nothing else ever did.
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Post by nemmo »

The nord wave sounds pretty Radias-ish to me... I've seen the demos.
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nemmo wrote:The nord wave sounds pretty Radias-ish to me... I've seen the demos.
Don't judge it buy the demos :)
Preloading and editing your own waves will be a killer feature.
Sounds never heard before.
I can't wait :D
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Post by antonblack »

I have both and can most definately say the Virus kicks the s**t out of the Radias everytime sounds wise.
If you want an easy synth capable of creating good sounds and cant afford the Virus then yeah buy a Radias.

Love the Radias vocoder erm :roll: yep Virus Ti.

If you are planning to write trance just buy the Virus as nothing else does it so well out of the box.

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antonblack wrote:If you are planning to write trance just buy the Virus as nothing else does it so well out of the box.
F*ck presets and all this "out of the box" crap! Making your programs, that is what synthesizer music is all about!
Does it really matter? Most people can't hear the difference between a real analog and a VA or a rompler. And there is absolutely no way you can say what gear was used during the production.

So does it really matter, what synth you use? :roll:
I buy expensive gear, just to play live. If I would be a studio musician, I would have nothing more than a MacBook with some VSTis, and I could probably do 100 times more.
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Post by antonblack »

Ah but some people do like to just play a synth out of the box and thats fine if they want to do that and many have hit the top of the charts doing so.
Personally I like to get stuck in.

I prefer dedicated hardware and something to touch like a knob not a mouse.
Plus I like to switch it on and know it just does the job its asked too.

Yes you can only have one instance of virus control but you can run 16 channels from that one instance so its not actually that limiting at all.

Certain synths most certainly do have a certain flavour and I can certainly hear certain kit used in a track SynthAntonius.

As for bass on the Radias being fatter I would say they both produce good bass.
At the end of the day they are both wonderfull things so just enjoy.
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Post by SynthAntonius »

http://www.progsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1888

Lol - this is pretty funny. Everybody was just wrong.
I just could not hear the real one!
But I must admit that I was able to hear this typical K2500 lead flavour, in 1 sample.
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SynthAntonius wrote:http://www.progsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1888

Lol - this is pretty funny. Everybody was just wrong.
I just could not hear the real one!
But I must admit that I was able to hear this typical K2500 lead flavour, in 1 sample.
Was it number 4 ???
It has the most highs......
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SynthAntonius wrote:http://www.progsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1888

Lol - this is pretty funny. Everybody was just wrong.
I just could not hear the real one!
But I must admit that I was able to hear this typical K2500 lead flavour, in 1 sample.
Just listened to those, haven't read the thread though.

I think it's difficult with that sort of static, monophonic legato sound. There weren't any more discerning elements like greater dynamics or filter sweeps demonstrating the synths more. There's no doubt that they all sounded different, but it wasn't fairly done as each demo used different overall levels, number two seemingly being the loudest/brightest. And volume influences decisions.

Personally I liked all of them except 4, 5, and 6. Too thin sounding (numbers 4 and 5), or incorrectly balanced/processed (number 6 in particular).
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Post by SynthAntonius »

Kurzweil k2500 was number 4 - sample based synthesis.
The real analog modular was number 2

The rest were virtual analogs and softsynths.

And an other thing that makes it hard to tell, is the fact, that even a real analog synth "phrase" becomes a digital sample, if recorder/played on a computer. :roll:
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Post by slammah2012 »

SynthAntonius wrote:Kurzweil k2500 was number 4 - sample based synthesis.
The real analog modular was number 2

The rest were virtual analogs and softsynths.

And an other thing that makes it hard to tell, is the fact, that even a real analog synth "phrase" becomes a digital sample, if recorder/played on a computer. :roll:
My thinking is the Kurzweil was a proper digital sample of an Analog synth, and probably at a higher rate than the wave files we were displayed....mp3s are not a good way to display Analog files...
If we were to put all of these synths onto an Analog multitrack machine, or Vinyl...the task at picking out the Analog would be a no brainer......
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