Pro Studio Drums & Bass v2 Library for Pa3X

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:46 am

Updated
Happy to announce that the first standalone Pa3X Library for Pa3X has been released !
Talking about the first priority of Pa3X improvement ... Professional DKs and Bass samples that PaSeries is lacking ,
due to justify the "Flagship" Arranger's definition.
Details at http://wavesart.eu/Pa3XSoundLibraries/

Thanks for reading !

The following loss-less format demo is consisting from real time sample styles only on Pa3X Style mode.
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Vex · Post by **Vex** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:26 pm

I can not find any demo ?

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:36 pm

You've missed a small "demo" tab in web page !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykPOw_TgKQ0

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:15 pm

So... opinions?

Personally, I find the snares a bit 'flat', a bit lacking in snap and transients, but that may be due to some overly aggressive Master section compression or even some clumsy post compression for web presentation.

Be nice if soundset demos were posted without ANY compression on, as I imagine many of us have many different opinions on how much is appropriate. For instance, I want my arranger to sound as 'live' as possible, so I tend to remove just about all of it, others want to sound as much like a CD (as squashed and horrible as most sound today!) and may even ADD compression to the default amount...

But drums, more than anything else, can have their characteristics altered by clumsy compressor settings. Hearing these samples 'naked' might give us a bit more idea of how they would sound once processed the way WE like (copy the sound file to your PA, and run it through your usual compression settings if you like) rather than the one way the vendor presents them to us...

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:50 pm

Dikikeys wrote: if soundset demos were posted without ANY compression on

Just FYI
Demo was recorded in flat equalization , the same for DK track with all parameters to zero , with no compression FX at all ,
only a small amount of room reverberation for Snares..
Toms & Snares have 3-5 velocity layers ,not been compressed while sampled , and their dynamic levels are tight & staccato
when tested in live simulation with a pair of EV ZXA 5 loudspeakers , just imagine snare power peaks of 650 Watts
peaks in an average RMS power of 1000 Watts of a full playing style , I could say not flat at all ..., when it could easily destroy
your PA in any low-mid frequency weakness , that can't be seen in an poor YT MP4 container or with garbage PC/Mac speakers !

I know that drums tastes differ , but here I use my many years of studio producing experience as Music producer / pianist / bassist /
Drummer and Conductor , and offer you native Bass & DKs with "live" character while are under studio specifications ...
so choice is yours !

Also note that members opinion is very important for me , as the only way to fit my releases to your tastes !

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:18 pm

My computer is hooked up to a pair of Mackie HR824's, so no garbage speakers, LOL!

Perhaps, as well as YouTube demos, some uncompressed high bitrate MP3's to download on the site might help sales, if you think the YouTube compression is seriously altering the overall sound?

Today's taste seems to have moved from pretty staccato and tight to a bit more ambient, and I think that's what I'm hearing in the snares. Do you have access to the same programming features the ROM kits do, where you can dial in or out that ambiance on the ROM kits? You've definitely got to do it with the room (or maybe a high quality impulse reverb of a live drum room) in pre, because the Korg really doesn't have a great drum room reverb to spare.

But the ROM kits can go from tight and closed to fairly open with the ambiance parameter... Can your kits do this? Be nice to have options beyond the onboard reverb....

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:19 am

Some last information (already mentioned in description official page)
- Set contains both dry & ambient DKs
- PaSeries do not read external samples markers except 1st point
- Ambient feature can be controlled with decay & release time
- The major point of a real drumkit is the high quality multi-layered samples based on well tuned parts of famous general purpose kits.
All other parameters can easily be handled by user to fit DK to his taste , since no proper source ... not appropriate DK !

Vex · Post by **Vex** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:47 pm

I have just listened this demo... For my taste - all this drums factory& samples - too soft... My PA will sound like 80 year grandpa in the club.You should consider to make punchy ,power ,modern drums for PA arrangers, that's what is missing

I can make my pa3 sound soft any time without samples... It is hard to simulate hard rock band

Think all about it

My 2cents.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:49 pm

Taste is taste , no question , but my taste , as a drum player of 10K US $ Drum kits of my production studios , is to listen to real drums !
IMHO , there no modern drum kit ... only FX processing of real drums ... a drummer can easily understand my point !

Anyway , thanks for your comments , I have nothing else to add on this since the majority of customer's feedback are totally enthusiastic
but , carry on with your comments.

Vex · Post by **Vex** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:55 pm

AntonySharmman wrote: IMHO , there no modern drum kit ... only FX processing of real drums ...

I agree

But Korg needs already processed samples... With this resources inside pa3x ,we can't do much about it.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:19 pm

Pa3XDK (transferred) wrote:Wow Antony, you actually finally made that possible now?! Have been waiting, and suggesting this some time... I must admit then, now you have me becoming seriously interested, in supporting your Work. The studio bass sounds amazing, almost like some of the VI's I use in the studio. Very good accomplished.
- Have 2 questions, however if that's alright?!

1; How come the snares in your demo sound a Little "far away", they're not really "biting" in the mix? Is it the lack of effects, or did you simply choose it to be like that in the devoloping phase?

2; Will you do a pack like these two with your guitars as well. Having the drums, bass, and guitars would be the perfect solution I believe (and I don't think I'm only one on this thought) Perhaps maybe even like a smaller bundle than buying your Whole producer package. Have you given this any thoughts, maybe for the future?

1. In my Demo , I've just replaced factory DK with studio bass & Drums and reset all DK tunings to default in order to listen
to original samples with no compressing , since targeting people who know about real drums.
2. You know , one brings the other so if I include guitars I also must include percussion and other DK genres and so
on , and the cost always will go higher approaching Producer Edition !

I will keep on producing of such small Pa3X sound libraries of general purpose like the next one "Virtual Accordion"
that is coming soon !

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:48 pm

I have played with Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Kenny Denard and a host of other TOP professional drummers. Once again, like your slam of my playback system before you even had a clue about it, you put yourself above your critics before you know their credentials...

Truth is, you learn far more from your critics than you ever do from people who simply tell you what you want to hear.

You are welcome to take my criticism any way you feel, but try not to assume anything first! If I (and some others on this thread) have the same criticism or similar, MAYBE we have a point?

Or are we all playing your demos through crap speakers and don't know what drums sound like?

Pa3XDK · Post by **Pa3XDK** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:20 pm

Thanks for the forward Antony!

I agree with "the boys" here, samples means RAW, it's what we get - and how we put it together that creates an artistic diversity. It's harder to mix a snare drum "forward", than "backwards" - and still make it sound "t/right". However, I actually liked the toms (on 2x1400W "Soundscape" PA's as well as my HR824's monitors) nice mellow (real). Sounding like I had the oak Sonor lit up, without my neighboors complaining.

The PA3 is very soft sounding, from the factory - but hell we got a Waves Mercury Lite edition onboard, all we need is the live sound.

That's the only place I think Korg really messed up. Plus only giving us 256 to expand. There's expansion 3rd party, but come on - you Guys should definately Work together.

To summon it up.. I think that, players who actually care about making it sound live, also play it live. Otherwise, a laptop and a set of midi's is much cheaper than "playing" - whatever it means.

Sidenote Antony; I played your Steinway Demo today - It was "off the hook", I love it when one sound makes me actually looking forward to turn my keys on! Lively and Awsome - 5/5!!

Pa3XDK · Post by **Pa3XDK** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:37 pm

Dikikeys wrote: Or are we all playing your demos through crap speakers and don't know what drums sound like?

I'm sure nobody meant to be personal...

I know Antony' listening, after all - this thread is all about bread. Man, is doing he's best..

Pa3XDK · Post by **Pa3XDK** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:09 am

[quote="AntonySharmman]
1. In my Demo , I've just replaced factory DK with studio bass & Drums and reset all DK tunings to default in order to listen
to original samples with no compressing , since targeting people who know about real drums.
2. You know , one brings the other so if I include guitars I also must include percussion and other DK genres and so
on , and the cost always will go higher approaching Producer Edition !

I will keep on producing of such small Pa3X sound libraries of general purpose like the next one "Virtual Accordion"
that is coming soon ![/quote]

1; I think I know a Little something about a drummers drums, since I grew up with one. And since you made no compression on the kit for the demo, that's the fact making me nervous. Snare is usually the most "sensitive" to mix, we gotta make a bass compressed on that. So I think you should compress it before releasing it, if you know what I mean? I'm sure you do..

For my personal taste, I would have liked a Little more SNARES!

2; Know definately where you're coming from with your difficult installation perspective. However, the difficultes might actually make it difficult to sell what you, actually DO have to sell. Tuned?

Will keep my eyes out for "Accordian", however - I'm just a bit more on the Westcoast!

And we didn't get an "Oriental" - so please hit me up with an accoustic guitar, some snares, maybe even a pedal steel like "orangetree".. Maybe you'll hear your voices on the radio too!