question on HDD specs -

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:41 pm

I read that apparently the Kronos has an SSD as a hard drive, but when I check the specs it states it is on an IDE interface??

AFAIK SSD's are not compatible with IDE....

Any comments here as I want to upgrade the HDD to something a bit bigger than 27gig. I was just going to go out and buy an SSD.....

Also with the huge number of read/write cycles on the K, what is the current consensus on actually using SSD's bearing in mind the finite (although agreed it IS a huge number) of read/write/stream cycles?

Thanks

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:49 pm

Read those threads:
- Video of second SSD installed.
- 30 GB SSD too small ? - You can upgrade it !

Personally, I have this one:
Intel® SSD 320 Series (300GB, 2.5in SATA 3Gb/s, 25nm, MLC)

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:59 pm

hmmm......the info screen on the K certainly says IDE interface...

Well it actually says IDE Drive but I am assuming it was an IDE interface...from those threads it appears it is a SATA i/f

That being the case, it is a confusing message Korg is sending

Thanks for the links

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:02 pm

Further, I note one has to use the Factory DVD's to do this...

I bought my K secondhand, and while it has the DVD's they are in such poor condition that the K cannot read the data...using a LaCie USB DVD reader.

I CAN open the DVD on a PC, so if I produce a copy of the DVD do you (or anyone) have experience of such a copy working instead of the original?

Thanks again

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:07 pm

I used Clonezilla for the cloning. I really never minded about restoring with the factory DVD's because you have no warranty that the external DVD reader you get will be recognized.

If you have Mac (like I do now), then Clonezilla may not work (glitchy screen) On that case, I had to use Ubuntu and then dd to clone the disk.

For the last partition (the partition holding all your samples), you just copy the contents to the new disk.

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:17 pm

Thanks -Windows here and I use Acronis.

What would be the procedure for cloning the existing HDD? I cannot find a way to access it via the USB interface with the PC...

Or remove it and use external disk interface hardware to do it?

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:21 pm

I don't use Acronis. Ask this guy:
tjdeerinck

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:09 pm

Thanks, I KNOW how to clone disks using Acronis, I have been doing for several years....sorry my post gave the wrong impression

I was more interested in how you actually accessed the K hard drive, but you missed that so no probs..moving on

Cheers

PS: don't worry I will do it using the method I have been using for ages. I have a USB to IDE/Sata hardware interface I use.

I will just remove the K hdd and do it externally.

miden · Post by **miden** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:04 am

Marparbl, I see you have a sata III installed? I thought they were incompatible with the Kronos?

Any problems that you have noticed?

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:31 am

miden wrote:Marparbl, I see you have a sata III installed? I thought they were incompatible with the Kronos?

Any problems that you have noticed?

I don't have SATA III, the disk I have is SATA II, which means it's 3 Gbps. Maybe you thought it's SATA III because the link says "SATA 3Gb/s"

AFAIK, SATA III won't be supported. I haven't heard of anyone trying such disks on Kronos.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:27 am

I could be pulling this out of a dark place, but I thought SATA III disks were backwards compatible with the SATA II interface? Meaning, you could hook up a SATA III disk just fine, it just wouldn't go over SATA II speeds?
DISCLAIMER: this is just something I seem to vaguely recall. Someone with more knowledge please step in!

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:37 am

SanderXpander wrote:I could be pulling this out of a dark place, but I thought SATA III disks were backwards compatible with the SATA II interface? Meaning, you could hook up a SATA III disk just fine, it just wouldn't go over SATA II speeds?
DISCLAIMER: this is just something I seem to vaguely recall. Someone with more knowledge please step in!

Yep, a SATA III drive will work fine on a SATA II interface, but at SATA II speeds.

If it doesn't, this is the first time I have ever seen or heard that, and as its an off the shelf motherboard, I would be extremely surprised if this turned out to be the case.

I suspect if it says somewhere that SATA III isn't supported, its simply talking about the speed.

miden · Post by **miden** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:53 pm

I got the info originally from here : http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 4bbb57fea1

OP.

Mind you, I have not read it anywhere else.

Outside of Korg I already was aware that you could run SATA 3 drives on a 2 i/f, much the same as USB 1.1 and 2 will run on a USB 3 port, just at the lower speeds.

But as the Korg is a system to itself I was not sure, and I did not want to open it up replace it and then find it did not work.

SATA III drives are quite a deal cheaper out here for some reason, plus afaik they (sata III) have done away with the Sandforce controllers that plagued a lot of sata II drives.

Okay thanks guys, I will stop looking for a II and just go for a III

Cheers

miden · Post by **miden** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:10 pm

Here is a really interesting article on the Sandforce controller used on SSD's (not all though).

http://communities.intel.com/message/178615

There were well known issues with this controller on earlier SATA SSD's but I was sort of assuming they were solved with SATA III....apparently not.

If it were a PC, I would probably take a punt if one was the right price, but with how awkward it is to swap out the ssd on the K, I want to be sure first time that the drive is not going to die after a couple of months...

Sure, there is warranty - doesn't help when you are 1/2 hour into a gig

I will have to re-asses and look for a drive that does not use Sandforce I think...

Oh and here is an interesting comparison article...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2020724/ ... rives.html

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:46 am

I guess what it all boils down to then is this, "What is the best SSD for the Kronos?" And why? The cost difference doesn't come into play much considering what you are dealing with. Your baby!

I've been thinking about adding a second SSD to my Kronos but haven't really looked into it all that much.
Got more to think about now.