Programs in Combos

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:32 am

I'm having some trouble building Combi using multiple existing Programs.

Many of the features (including effects associated with a Program) don't seem to get used when I select a Program to be used in a Combi. I'm wondering if there's a way to somehow import the effects such that if I use multiple Programs, then I can get the Effects for each of those Programs into the Combi as well (obviously as long as I don't go beyond the maximum allowed effects)

The second problem I have encountered has to do with remembering envelopes. I took an existing brass-type Program and modified it appropriately to suit the song I need it for, saving it into a new blank user location. One of the changes I made was to extend the envelope release time so that the chord will fade out slowly when I release the notes (duh!). However, when I insert that Program into a Combi, that release value is lost and the sound stops immediately. I know there are some real-time controls in Combi mode but that's not really practical because (A) they're not remembered and (B) I might have multiple Programs with different release times, etc.

Surely there is a way to use a Program in a Combi and have the existing envelope work.

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
D

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:44 am

I'm just quickly checking the board and don't have much time to respond. For programs in a Combi, you will have to have them share the Master and Total effects, so pick your most important sounding program to start building the Combi with. You can go into the effect modes (IFX, Master, Total) and COPY FX from Page Menu.

When copying IFX, select the ALL USED box. For the 2nd, 3rd,... programs do the same thing, except you need to COPY TO the next empty IFX slot, otherwise, you will overwrite the previous effects.

TONE ADJUST settings can be saved, so you should be able to set AMP RELEASE to how you want, then SAVE the Combi. Also, are you sure that you loaded the right program, from the new location, as opposed to the original one?

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:43 am

Mike, thanks for the guidance, I got the IFX stuff working as you describe.

I am however still confused by the envelope stuff. First of all, I am certain that I am using my saved copy because part of my save process includes changing the name of the patch.

So suppose I create a trivial synth sound with a long Release. It plays fine as a Program. But if I create a brand new combi and use that Program in the first channel (say) and play a note, there is no Release tail.

Is there a way to make this work properly independent of the AMP Release stuff?

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:16 am

I got it to work using both methods - saving the program and Tone Adjust. Can you tell me which brass program it is? I'll probably make a little video showing what I did. BTW, I also had to change the Filter Amp release, as Korg uses the LP filter on some of these.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:27 pm

Here, see if THIS Video helps.

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:03 pm

Mike, I cannot believe you the time and trouble to put that video together. Truly, thank you so much.
I will test this out as soon as I get to my studio today.

I'm still not quite clear as to why the release on my original program didn't survive when the program was inserted to a combi but I now realize that those tone adjust values might have been wrong. I was not using those, instead I was turning the real-time knob and then expecting the new position to be saved.

Thank you again,
D

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:15 pm

This worked great --- thank you.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:04 pm

No problem. I'm not sure why the other way wasn't working for you. I adjusted that EG RELEASE knob in R. TIME KNOBS/KARMA mode, saved the program to a different slot and it did work in the Combi with the soft release.

Anyway, there's more than one way to skin a cat on these beasts.

I'm glad you achieved what you needed.

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:51 pm

I had never looked at that Tone Adjust stuff before (even with my Oasys).

This has let me fix a whole bunch of nits with other combis I had created over the last 6 months.

As for the issue with the EG RELEASE, I think the problem is that I was trying to adjust EG RELEASE in R.TIME KNOBS while the Combi was loaded and that was not sticking when I resaved the Combi.

I think the reason I was having problems in the first place was because I was replacing existing Programs in Combis I was using but didn't realize that Tone Adjust had already been configured for those Combis.

The Tone Adjust is a big deal for me. I'm preparing for a tour and had been trying hard to reduce my dependencies on soft synths on my laptop as much as possible, but I was struggling unsuccessfuly to get Programs I had created to work properly when inserted into a Combi.