Order will be restored as of NOW.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:24 pm

A word of warning to those who have been starting fights and being very disruptive in this part of the forum. This all stops right here and right now.

If you want to be apart of this community going forward, then you better read the forum rules HERE and get with the program and the spirit of this forum which has existed for a decade.

Over the next few days I will be very active in returning the harmony to this area of the forum which can be found throughout every other section here.

Please use this thread to discuss this subject and ask me any questions you like. It is VERY important that there is perfect clarity here going forward as this is a very serious issue now and it will result in people being banned who do not get with the program here.

Regards
Sharp.

Jeff Gibbs · Post by **Jeff Gibbs** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:36 pm

Thanks Sharp, this forum is a very important source of information, problem solving, and support for those of us who use Korg products for personal satisfaction and/or professionally. Internet insulting and debating is something that can really get out of hand. That is why I used my real name, and wish all forums like this were real name forums.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:30 pm

Thanks Sharp, for keeping a good eye on this forum. It's by far most my most important source of gathering ideas, having informational discussions, questions and having good contacts with Korg users.

I also used my real name. I thought about having two accounts since one 'role' of me is being a Korg enthousiastic/user and one is the creator of PCG Tools. However, I think it can go well together.

I hope there will be lots of useful, sharing and information and occasionaly fun threads to be opened.

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:22 am

Thanks Sharp.
Superb Forum.

PianoManChuck · Post by **PianoManChuck** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:39 am

Many thanks, Sharp! I'm looking forward to having this forum once again be used for its intended purpose.

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:56 pm

Thanks, Sharp. I appreciate it greatly.

I apologize if my last thread (http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 272#457272) was viewed as inflammatory. I did not intend it as such. Looking forward to the return of the community spirit we enjoyed not so long ago.

Dan

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:08 pm

Community spirit comes from us, not the moderators.

The moderators can only prevent people from wreaking havoc by posting offending, misleading and/or badmouthing stuff.

I do not understand this announcement as effort to make this a cozy little fanboy place, like the Roland Clan once became by means of pressure and censorship. Most times the discussion level here is much too good (both the affirmative as the critical feedback) to be pushed in that direction. I rather understand the announcement as warning not to step over the red line.

kronoSphere · Post by **kronoSphere** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:29 pm

One thing is certain now and all these threads in this forum prove it : the technique of making a musical instrument will always be very far below the level of any genuine and adventurous musical thought ...

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:41 pm

jimknopf wrote:Community spirit comes from us, not the moderators.

The moderators can only prevent people from wreaking havoc by posting offending, misleading and/or badmouthing stuff.

I do not understand this announcement as effort to make this a cozy little fanboy place, like the Roland Clan once became by means of pressure and censorship. Most times the discussion level here is much too good (both the affirmative as the critical feedback) to be pushed in that direction. I rather understand the announcement as warning not to step over the red line.

I agree to you ... I think what Sharp wants to point is that there IS a red line.

zengomi · Post by **zengomi** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:53 pm

kronoSphere wrote:One thing is certain now and all these threads in this forum prove it : the technique of making a musical instrument will always be very far below the level of any genuine and adventurous musical thought ...

Couldn't disagree more. I'd love to hear some music made on a Kronos that even hints at the potential of the instrument. So far, it's all been rather too familiar--even my own offering.

No big dis intended. It'll take time to come to terms with the technology.

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:07 pm

here here

Thanks Sharp, lets not let this forum turn into another Roland clan.

and the Kronos turn into another Fantom G

and no, your not getting it, i love my Fantom G.

sitting here watch the Occupy Oakland movement in Oakland.........

how is it the less-than-1%, think what they are doing for the 99% has any bearing on the actions of the 1%? It's like a guitar playing drummer tell us what's wrong with a keyboard.

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:13 pm

michelkeijzers wrote:
I agree to you ... I think what Sharp wants to point is that there IS a red line.

I think Sharp's point is....there are TWO red lines.....a high one and a low one. Stay between the lines......the lines are your friend!

Thanks Sharp!

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:31 pm

problem is, no body see the lines, we need to build walls.

motic · Post by **motic** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:17 pm

It astounds me that you are willing to lock a discussion that potentially affects thousands of Kronos users. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Why not just address the offending parties?

While you and Pepperpotty have taken the position that Korg has satisfied their obligations regarding the RH3, I have set forth the reasons why that is not at all clear. I have the requisite educational and professional background to discuss these issues thoroughly and to understand that a legal conclusion can't be drawn without all the facts. Unless you and Pepperpotty are privy to information not generally available, I'm not sure how Pepperpotty can refer to certain expectations as ludicrous. It is more ludicrous to be making those kind of statements without having all the facts and understanding the relevant legal issues. To make matters worse, the thread was locked immediately thereafter.

I am not saying that Korg necessarily has an outstanding obligation. What I am saying is that if Korg developed the new RH3 in response to a recognized design flaw, there are definitely issues to be discussed and Korg may very well have an obligation to provide some relief for RH3 owners. It is not at all a trivial matter. Owners of the orignal RH3 will undoubtedly faces issues if they ever want to sell their Kronos and will have a hefty out of pocket cost if they experience the issue out of warranty. The flip side is that it could create an enormous expense for Korg, however, at least they have the benefit of having all the facts right now. Having you stifle discussion on the matter only makes matters worse for users.