Will the Kronos have the M3's Cue List feature?

iixorbiusii · Post by **iixorbiusii** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:54 pm

Hi - one important thing for me is to be able to build my master song, from an arrangement made up of smaller songs and have them play one after the other without any delay. This is called Cue List in my M3.
Do we know if the Kronos will also have a Cue List feature which operates the same way as the M3's Cue List function? As far as I know, the Oasys doesn't have this?
Thanks.

EDIT: Just added a pole 26th Jan 2011

Blazer · Post by **Blazer** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:08 am

That's a really good question. I'm glad you brought that up. I hope we get an answer soon.

biggrime · Post by **biggrime** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:23 am

iixorbiusii wrote:Hi - one important thing for me is to be able to build my master song, from an arrangement made up of smaller songs and have them play one after the other without any delay. This is called Cue List in my M3.
Do we know if the Kronos will also have a Cue List feature which operates the same way as the M3's Cue List function? As far as I know, the Oasys doesn't have this?
Thanks.

That would be very bad if they put no cue list on there. To be honest I will stay with my M3 and Korg Plug ins.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:37 pm

Sorry to disappoint, but KRONOS does not have the Cue List feature.

EDIT: You can, however, recall Songs using slots within Set List mode.

Crystalmsc · Post by **Crystalmsc** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:53 am

RichF wrote:You can, however, recall Songs using slots within Set List mode.

The set list is very interesting to me. Will it be able to trigger several short songs instantly and act as a virtual looper like the Kaossilator Pro? So we can freely switch between several songs instantly at any measure, without having to wait the song to finish.

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:56 am

So set list acts in place of the cue list? I use cue list for every song I write, so some version of that is essential for me.

EnjoyRC · Post by **EnjoyRC** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:44 pm

georgeinar wrote:So set list acts in place of the cue list? I use cue list for every song I write, so some version of that is essential for me.

I believe Cue List is a bit different than what is state here.

Cue list is a collection of Parts of a song. Intro, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Ending, etc... You can link parts of a song together seamlessly. Consistant flow in time. I don't think the Set List is going to be able to playback the different songs, or parts of a song without an audible gap between song triggers. And I don't think the Set List can play one song and automatically advance to the next song without interaction.

Still researching...

iixorbiusii · Post by **iixorbiusii** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:05 pm

Maybe we should start a "who uses Cue List?" pole

Cue List is an essential feature to me; as I write the verse, chorus, bridge etc I don't really have a feel for what the final piece of music will sound like, but Cue List gives me the ability to trial different arrangements.

We need something like Cue List, don't we, even if it has a different name

Maybe Rich will be able to advise if Set List works the same way...?

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:36 pm

Cue list is the soul of my composition technique. I literally do 10-15 sng files and string and restring them, stitching them together until i have a dynamic arrangement, then once I string them all together for good, i then add other programs which are not cue list based, but the whole germ ideas of the song parts begin as song files built up in the cue list, i don't even know how i would go about working on a verse and a chorus per se if they had to be all connected to begin with

iixorbiusii · Post by **iixorbiusii** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:18 am

My thoughts here (and no offence meant to anyone!)

Perhaps....
The M3 is aimed at less skilled musicians / engineers; not exclusively but generally (like me!) so helpful tools like Cue List are required.

The OASYS was aimed at pro's, who either don't need Cue List because they are skilled enough to operate without it, or they have other tools at their disposal.

The KRONOS is essentially an OASYS II (so people are saying) but (in the US at least) its price point is aimed at the masses.

Therefore less rounded musicians / hobbyists and not just pro's will get access to the best-of-the-best... but will we find the absence of a Cue List function affecting our workflow?

It would be interesting to see further comments from M3 users who use Cue Lists all the time, and OASYS users who have never had it...

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:05 am

iixorbiusii wrote:It would be interesting to see further comments from M3 users who use Cue Lists all the time, and OASYS users who have never had it...

Well, OASYS users never used it because the feature wasn't available to them.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:17 pm

Let's say you have multiple songs stored in a Set List. When you touch one, and pres the SEQUENCER START/STOP button, it will begin playing. Then, if you touch a new slot, the song that's currently playing will stop (and the effects, if any, will continue to sound uninterrupted), and you can press the SEQUENCER START/STOP button to start playing the newly selected song.

The Songs won't link automatically as they do in Cue List, but unlike Cue List, you can quickly re-order your set, with immediate access to Programs and Combis in the same view, should you need them.

gjvti · Post by **gjvti** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:34 pm

RichF wrote:Let's say you have multiple songs stored in a Set List. When you touch one, and pres the SEQUENCER START/STOP button, it will begin playing. Then, if you touch a new slot, the song that's currently playing will stop (and the effects, if any, will continue to sound uninterrupted), and you can press the SEQUENCER START/STOP button to start playing the newly selected song.

The Songs won't link automatically as they do in Cue List, but unlike Cue List, you can quickly re-order your set, with immediate access to Programs and Combis in the same view, should you need them.

Hm, this sounds interesting. And is it possible to switch set list item and start sequencer by sending sysex messages - that would probably introduce some way of automation?

Jon Lord · Post by **Jon Lord** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:49 pm

RichF wrote:Let's say you have multiple songs stored in a Set List. When you touch one, and pres the SEQUENCER START/STOP button, it will begin playing. Then, if you touch a new slot, the song that's currently playing will stop (and the effects, if any, will continue to sound uninterrupted), and you can press the SEQUENCER START/STOP button to start playing the newly selected song.

The Songs won't link automatically as they do in Cue List, but unlike Cue List, you can quickly re-order your set, with immediate access to Programs and Combis in the same view, should you need them.

Interesting, and by adding audiotracks to the sequencer you get a simple mediaplayer for live use

georgeinar · Post by **georgeinar** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:02 am

this does seem more like a live performance synth and not a studio workstation

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