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hi eveyone!
i finished quite a lot of songs(consisting of 15-20 patterns),but now i realised i would like to further edit the patterns(which is much easier to do in a sequencer) and add some vocals or loops in ableton.
whats the easiest way to transfer patterns to ableton?
i am quite new to this
many thanx
Luka

lukasi wrote:hi eveyone!
i finished quite a lot of songs(consisting of 15-20 patterns),but now i realised i would like to further edit the patterns(which is much easier to do in a sequencer) and add some vocals or loops in ableton.
whats the easiest way to transfer patterns to ableton?
i am quite new to this
many thanx
Luka

Not sure I understand your entire intent, but I would say, use the electtribe as a sketchpad for ideas, then recreate the entire song in Live.

thanx for your reply!
can you please further explain how do you do it(if you do it) ?
do you mean saving the midi patterns from emx into live or just listening how i you did it and recreating it from the start?
i am just interested how other people do it and whats the easiest way(if such a thing exists)

Do you mean you want the audio that your electribe produced to be editable in ableton tracks? or do you mean you just want the patterns in ableton so that the trigger/note lengths etc are all the same but using abletons instruments?

Basically, you need to get the midi form the tribe into your DAW (Ableton)

IF the tribe can save midi files (I've never tried), do that and then load them into your DAW. If not then set up the tribe to send and record the midi into your DAW.

I'm not an Ableton user but I have a similar workflow only I use Logic.
I set up the sounds in the EMX that I want to use, then I write the midi in Logic and then save the midi file to my sequencer and play it back.

Make sure you setup your tribes midi tracks the way you want first. Personally I assign all my drum parts to one midi track so that I can sequence them as a kit.

i apologize if i am not clear enough!
i want to transfer my midi files from emx to ableton so i can edit them more precisely!i,still wanna trigger emx sounds!
so,whats the easiest way to transfer files since i dont reckon you can save them in emx!?
how do you record them in the sequencer?
i dont think there is much difference between ableton,logic or cubase,they are all sequencers right?

when you wanna change sounds(patterns) in your emx do you send pattern change messages from your sequencer(if 5 sounds are not enough)?
Orbit,if you assign all your drum parts to one midi track than you cant edit them separately apart from velocity right?
many thanx
Luka

lukasi wrote:i apologize if i am not clear enough!
i want to transfer my midi files from emx to ableton so i can edit them more precisely!i,still wanna trigger emx sounds!
so,whats the easiest way to transfer files since i dont reckon you can save them in emx!?
how do you record them in the sequencer?
i dont think there is much difference between ableton,logic or cubase,they are all sequencers right?

when you wanna change sounds(patterns) in your emx do you send pattern change messages from your sequencer(if 5 sounds are not enough)?
Orbit,if you assign all your drum parts to one midi track than you cant edit them separately apart from velocity right?
many thanx
Luka

To record the midi into your computer connect the midi out from the EMX to your midi/usb interface, then set the sequencer to slave to the EMX and record the midi into the sequencer. That's the general process, Ableton may be different since it's more geared for soft synths. You may have to record one track at a time unless you can enable 16 tracks to record.

As far as drums are concerned, you can edit the velocity note by note. All the drums are still technically separate tracks and effects and tweaks can be applied individually, all you're doing is controlling them all with a single midi track as opposed to 8. I'm not sure what other editing you have in mind since EMX drums can't be filtered.

lukasi wrote:i apologize if i am not clear enough!
i want to transfer my midi files from emx to ableton so i can edit them more precisely!i,still wanna trigger emx sounds!
so,whats the easiest way to transfer files since i dont reckon you can save them in emx!?
how do you record them in the sequencer?
i dont think there is much difference between ableton,logic or cubase,they are all sequencers right?

when you wanna change sounds(patterns) in your emx do you send pattern change messages from your sequencer(if 5 sounds are not enough)?
Orbit,if you assign all your drum parts to one midi track than you cant edit them separately apart from velocity right?
many thanx
Luka

Listen my friend, I'll give you a clear answer

First things first aaight?

It is NOT possible to transfer MIDI files to your sequencer (ableton). The EMX saves a full pattern in memory or stored on your card in a different language. Everybody was waiting for a new emx with usb port and some new stuff...

If you already have made so much pattern. I would recommend to RECORD the MIDI while playing. Send via MIDI OUT to your Computer. Record as a midi clip. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY! to do it. You will have latency. And you will have to refill in the scores cause they will not be exact. (because of latency)

To do this you have to make 6 midi strips. For example you can choose DRUMS on ch 10, Synth 1 on channel 1 synth 2 on channel 2....... Synthpart 5 on channel 5. Every parts has to have it's own midi channel. Note that the drum section is a section on it's own... One midi channel for all drum parts... All drum parts are triggered by some notes. I do not know wich octave. It's in the manual. Or just try to push every note to see where those notes are...

Afther all conections are made... you can transfer midi out or in... With MIDI you can do what ever you want

...

Yes you can draw velocity for each note that then will trigger the drumparts... NOTE: You can infact trigger every changeable parameter. Velocity, duration,... per note. This means via ableton you have much more modulation options. Because ableton can send to every knob. And EMX has only 25 knobrecords...

Yes ableton, logic... MIDI is MIDI...

Pattern change... is in fact PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGE. So yes if you have to change between patterns because you want to change some sounds... You can do this in the clip itself. You will see BANK, SUB BANK and PROGRAM... You have to figure this out for yourself cause it has been awhile for me. Bur Those parameter are made to send to every device that has midi in the whole wide world. I THINK the banks stands for A B C or D And the PROGRAM number stands for the number itself.

So pattern A31 would be bank 1 Program 31. D53 would be bank 4 program 53.

Note: PROGRAM CHANGE MESSAGES are send through the GLOBAL MIDI CHANNEL. The Global midi channel For the EMX is SYNTH PART 1 channel. GLOBAL parameter changes are send trough this channel. Every midi device has a global midi channel.

I hope I was helpfull with my bad english

Yornav,you made me lough with your final remark,your english is excellent as its your explanation,THANX!!
Orbit,i am curios,why do you think ableton is geared more towards soft synths?

lukasi wrote:Yornav,you made me lough with your final remark,your english is excellent as its your explanation,THANX!!
Orbit,i am curios,why do you think ableton is geared more towards soft synths?

From what I hear Ableton has latency issues when working with external gear. It's designed to be more of an "in the box" kind of app.

orbit wrote:

lukasi wrote:Yornav,you made me lough with your final remark,your english is excellent as its your explanation,THANX!!
Orbit,i am curios,why do you think ableton is geared more towards soft synths?

From what I hear Ableton has latency issues when working with external gear. It's designed to be more of an "in the box" kind of app.

it's known for it, but if you play with the delay compensation, it stays pretty intact, make sure the ELECTRIBE is MASTER (people debate this, I've found MASTER is better)