Future upgrades in sounds or not

dnlfacundo · Post by **dnlfacundo** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:41 am

My overall rating on the m50 is a 8.5 just because of the cost and realistic sounds but I would of like some expansion like the triton series.well since were in a very edvanced stage of music right know were every thing is about CPUs I'm hoping korg releases future downloads for sounds.I really would hate to sell this board with in the next few years just because I'd get tiered of the same old sounds.I'm hopeing for some crazy motions and synthstation since they already let out the vintage keys which sounded real good with analog sounds.So would anyone like to give there opinion?

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:28 am

The M50 doesn't have sampling capabilities, so Korg's hands are tied there. Beyond that, if you're tired with the sounds and you do a lot of heavy program editing, then you'll need to either get a keyboard with sampling or get an analog synth, since you'll have the same problem with any workstation without sampling.

Especially if you've never edited programs much before, it'll be a long time before you can really say you've explored all the possibilities the M50 gives you, if that's even possible to accomplish.

I'd venture to say that it's nearly impossible to get tired of a workstation. You may hate the fact that your band always gigs with the same songs so you always use the same presets (i.e. you get tired of the small set of sounds you use all the time), or you may want a newer, better keyboard because it does more or just because it's newer and shinier, or you may want something newer because the sounds of your particular keyboard sound dated, but I don't think it's possible to get tired of something with a massive number of combinations of parameters: there's well over 1,000 waveforms, a huge number of parameters for each oscillator in a program, 8 effects in total chosen from a number of effects in the high double-digits, potential to layer 16 programs together...mathematically, even if you ignore insignificant changes, like boosting the volume on a timbre in a combi from 101 to 102, you could generate a new combi each second for the rest of your life and not scratch the surface of the M50. No, if you get bored with it, it's you and your tastes, not the keyboard, that are the problem.

dnlfacundo · Post by **dnlfacundo** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:43 am

I am not tiered of it and I do know what it can do in combi but I'm just saying there should be more sound in the future.Are you telling me you never heard any sounds from a fantom,motif or soft synth and just wished you had that sound for new inspirartion.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:33 am

You can't have those sounds on M50. It DOES NOT have a sampler inside. The 256 MB of samples which are inside are there for good. They can't be changed. Live with it. Edit and make your own sounds using already available samples that are inside the M50, because that's all you can do with it really, nothing more. It's not that hard once you get your head over it.

dnlfacundo · Post by **dnlfacundo** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:45 am

I don't think your getting me.The topic is future sound expansion will they or won't they be avaliable not loading other samples from other boards.So in a simple question for you to understand do you think korg will keep updateing sound?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:48 am

well, it is a synthesiser, which means it is designed to create new sounds.

you asked for example for motion synth sounds - most pure synth sounds are created using the built in synth waveforms anyway, so sampling isn't necessary to create new sounds. and you can still tweak and mangle and otherwise twist the samples already in there to do what you want. I'd suggest you look into creating/editing your own programs.

as for what is coming from KORG, no-one knows, and they usually keep it to themselves until the last minute for marketing/rumour control reasons.

However, being an almost infinitely tweakable and fairly flexible synth, I'm sure there will be patches created by other users for years to come...

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:49 am

If you bought a low-end keyboard (the very best of the low ends, yes, but the M50 was never meant to compete with the Fantom or Motif lines), without realizing that it had no sampling, then you're stuck with it and hopefully you'll learn to shop first instead of whining later. If you want softsynths, gig with a laptop. If you want sounds from another keyboard, buy the other keyboard.

dnlfacundo · Post by **dnlfacundo** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:03 am

Don't get me wrong I love this keyboard and I think it is the best workstation out there but you are talking about something different.I know you can tweak all the sounds and make totally something different but woulndt it be nice with more sounds that aren't in the m50.ANd just finish makeing a drum kit today but it would have been way nicer with more crazy sounds so please don't tell me no one wouldn't want more sounds

Rishat · Post by **Rishat** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:37 am

See below..

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:23 am

dnlfacundo wrote:I am not tiered of it and I do know what it can do in combi but I'm just saying there should be more sound in the future.Are you telling me you never heard any sounds from a fantom,motif or soft synth and just wished you had that sound for new inspirartion.

Have you really tried to design your own sounds from scratch using the included samples? I'm sure it will be very hard not to get really close to the sounds of a motif or fantom. Specially with the awesome amount of effects and routing options.
Right now I'm trying to emulate the sound of a Wavestation patch that I need, and I'm really having a hard time, but this is because the Wavestation is a wave sequencing synth, something that many people have said is very hard to emulate. Not even with a sampling option. But I'm getting really close, and I'm sure I will nail it down soon.
Besides, is TONS of fun programing patches with the touchscreen, so get yourself a cup of tea, sit down in front of your M50 and program away.

Gargamel314 · Post by **Gargamel314** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:45 am

k so here's the thing.

The M50's sounds are burned into ROM. That means they will never change. There is no RAM for it to load new samples, so you are stuck with the ones you have. If you weren't fully content with everything that's on the M50, you should have bought an M3, because the M50's samples are PERMANENT. there's no adding to them, there's no replacing them. you're stuck.

Korg generally doesn't release updated programs for its workstation products, except for the OASYS, because that was expected as part of the deal for buying one. the other exception was the M3, which was kind of a fluke, no one expected it, and they had never done anything like that before. I'm definitely not expecting to see any new programs or combi's for the M3 from Korg. But the M3 was built to be able to have its sounds updated/upgraded. the M50 was NOT.

I wouldn't count on an M50 Xpanded edition coming from Korg. Besides that, the M50's sample base is basically the same as the M3 Xpanded. Your only hope is buying 3rd party programs from vendors like Karma-Labs, KARO, Kid Nepro, Basari Studios, etc. the chance of Korg "updating the M50's programs is unlikely, unless someone over there gets really bored.

If what you mean is Korg releasing a new synthesizer with new updated sounds, then that will DEFINITELY happen. but for their current workstations, don't expect anything new from Korg.

Rishat · Post by **Rishat** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:47 am

I think I have completely understood what dnlfacundo is saying.. Actually its the same thing I am after

Korg should release some good program/patch for Korg M50 as they did earlier (e.g. the M50 Pro Vintage Keys). We all know there are some awesome programmers in Korg who can really make programs/patch which will blow your mind out!! Yes I agree that some of us are also able to make some good patches but hay, the programmers in Korg wakes up every morning with those stuffs..!!

The sounds that are already in M50 is great but you know humans are never satisfied.. You know what, I think there is an inbuilt aftertouch capability on M50 which Korg will circulate later on

as you know you can use that feature with DAWs but why not with the programs on M50?

So folks.. Be patience.. I am sure Korg will not disappoint us as they never did with any of their invention.. Coz, they are the legend!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:59 am

dnlfacundo wrote:I don't think your getting me.

Yeah, we're getting you.

dnlfacundo wrote:The topic is future sound expansion will they or won't they be avaliable not loading other samples from other boards.So in a simple question for you to understand do you think korg will keep updateing sound?

NO, THEY WON'T. You have the 256 MB ROM of different samples. That's IT. There's nothing more coming for M50, because those samples are BURNED ON A CHIP internally and that CAN'T BE CHANGED. There's NO WAY to update it with new samples!

dnlfacundo wrote:I know you can tweak all the sounds and make totally something different but woulndt it be nice with more sounds that aren't in the m50.

YOU CANNOT DO THAT! YOU CAN'T PUT NEW SAMPLES INTO M50! You have what you have - there's no sampler onboard, you CAN'T put sounds from different keyboards in M50. Gosh, figure that one already.

mocando · Post by **mocando** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:14 pm

Rishat wrote:I think I have completely understood what dnlfacundo is saying.. Actually its the same thing I am after

Korg should release some good program/patch for Korg M50 as they did earlier (e.g. the M50 Pro Vintage Keys). We all know there are some awesome programmers in Korg who can really make programs/patch which will blow your mind out!! Yes I agree that some of us are also able to make some good patches but hay, the programmers in Korg wakes up every morning with those stuffs..!!

The sounds that are

Well THAT is one thing I complete agree with. Korg programmers eat patches for breakfast. Here are a few suggestions for you guys:

- Pro Vintage Organs for the M50/M3
- Pro Melly Paradise Strings and Choir for the M50/M3
- Pro Vintage Leads for the M50/M3 (Including my Wavestation Mini Lead, of course

)
- Orchestral Fireworks for the M50/M3

...and so on, and so forth...

Think about it guys.

Rishat · Post by **Rishat** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:42 pm

Ha ha ha.. Well said there...

And in the last of the list there should be a Pro Acoustic Grand Pianos