good morning everyone,
i am quite new to the KP3. what i am trying to do seems quite simple but apparently doesnt really work out so far...so maybe you can help.
i ve connected my emx1 via midi out to the midi in on the kp3 and set the midi clock on the emx1 to INT and on the kp3 to EXT. so far so good.
now, when i want to sample a whole pattern (8bars) of the emx1 into the kp3, the kp3 records 6 out of 8 with the correct timing, and now after the OS update it records only 4 out of 8.
looks like the kp3 is running too fast...
so, when pressing "sampling" it shows [ 16]...the manual even says i can change this to a higher number...not working!....
anyhow. if someone knows this problem and could help it would be great.
thx.
KP3 record loop issues
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First of all, make your life a little bit easier by unplugging the midi cables between the EMX and the KP3, because it may actually be complicating the sampling process, and it really doesn't buy you much. Just set the BPM of the KP3 to match the EMX1 manually - then leave the BPM at that setting for sampling. Don't mix BPMs for now. Pick a BPM and stick to it, which shouldn't be too much of a problem since you are in complete control of the BPM on both the KP3 and EMX. Don't use the Auto BPM feature.
On the KP3, the BPM determines the exact length of the sample, which is important for looping to keep things in sync while you're learning.
Where in the manual did you read that you can change the bars to more than 16? I think you misread the manual.
In any case, it takes a bit of practice but you need to hit the play on the EMX and the sample on the KP3 at the same time, as accurately as you can do. Any delay will cause some significant dead time at the front of the sample that will heard when it loops back. If you get the first beat at the beginning of the sample, then there's less work if you want to adjust the start point.
It helps a lot to use the KP3 editor to actually see the waveform that has been sampled. This reveals a lot about the timing, since you'll see the dead time at the beginning of the sample, or how you've cut off the sample if you started sampling too soon before the EMX starts. You'll also see what happens to the sample when you edit it. The biggest problems with the sample are at the beginning and end - since that's the loop point. For live looping, the problems at the loop point aren't always so noticible so long as you don't have long dead space at the beginning or end. If you can set up the loops in advance, then you can precisely edit the samples on the computer to trim them and to match the signal level at the beginning and end to eliminate any click/pop at the loop point.
Another technique is to record more bars than the loop, so that you can ensure you get one full loop sampled, then edit the result on the computer to trim out everything before and after the loop, then reload the sample back to the KP3.
It isn't necessary to do all the editing on the computer, it's just much easier when you can see what you're editing rather than relying purely on what you hear. You edit the playback of a sample on the KP3 by adjusting the start point and picking the slice numbers, but this does not actually change the length of the stored sample. The only way to actually trim a sample from 16 to 8 bars, for example, is to resample it at 8 bars.
On the KP3, the BPM determines the exact length of the sample, which is important for looping to keep things in sync while you're learning.
Where in the manual did you read that you can change the bars to more than 16? I think you misread the manual.
In any case, it takes a bit of practice but you need to hit the play on the EMX and the sample on the KP3 at the same time, as accurately as you can do. Any delay will cause some significant dead time at the front of the sample that will heard when it loops back. If you get the first beat at the beginning of the sample, then there's less work if you want to adjust the start point.
It helps a lot to use the KP3 editor to actually see the waveform that has been sampled. This reveals a lot about the timing, since you'll see the dead time at the beginning of the sample, or how you've cut off the sample if you started sampling too soon before the EMX starts. You'll also see what happens to the sample when you edit it. The biggest problems with the sample are at the beginning and end - since that's the loop point. For live looping, the problems at the loop point aren't always so noticible so long as you don't have long dead space at the beginning or end. If you can set up the loops in advance, then you can precisely edit the samples on the computer to trim them and to match the signal level at the beginning and end to eliminate any click/pop at the loop point.
Another technique is to record more bars than the loop, so that you can ensure you get one full loop sampled, then edit the result on the computer to trim out everything before and after the loop, then reload the sample back to the KP3.
It isn't necessary to do all the editing on the computer, it's just much easier when you can see what you're editing rather than relying purely on what you hear. You edit the playback of a sample on the KP3 by adjusting the start point and picking the slice numbers, but this does not actually change the length of the stored sample. The only way to actually trim a sample from 16 to 8 bars, for example, is to resample it at 8 bars.
thanks for the reply
well maybe i ve got it wrong with the manual
it says under "sampling point. 4 .
if that is true than here we go...
still need to learn how to use the kp3 properly within my setup.
thanks
well maybe i ve got it wrong with the manual
it says under "sampling point. 4 .
...one thing tho, a friend of mine mentioned that the max. length for recording a loop on the kp3 is 7sec and playback max. is 10sec.The SAMPLE BANK button
used for recording will light red. It will be
easier to record a one-shot sample if you
specify a longer setting such as “16.”
if that is true than here we go...
still need to learn how to use the kp3 properly within my setup.
thanks
Yes, you're misreading that quote. That doesn't mean "longer setting than 16". When it reads a "Longer setting such as “16.”, it means a longer setting than what you currently have set, with 16 being an example of something longer, which is also the longest setting.
The maximum length of the sample time is based on the BPM and bars you have set. The exact sample length is a calculation derived precisely from those values, if you convert BPM to seconds-per-beat * number of beats. But yes, it works out to around 7-10 seconds per sample pad. Fortunately, you can get a lot of variation with up to four loops of this length, particularly if you slice and dice them. At 120 BPM, 16 bars is equal to exactly an 8 second sample length, since thats 0.5 seconds per beat times 16, if I recall the calculation correctly.
The maximum length of the sample time is based on the BPM and bars you have set. The exact sample length is a calculation derived precisely from those values, if you convert BPM to seconds-per-beat * number of beats. But yes, it works out to around 7-10 seconds per sample pad. Fortunately, you can get a lot of variation with up to four loops of this length, particularly if you slice and dice them. At 120 BPM, 16 bars is equal to exactly an 8 second sample length, since thats 0.5 seconds per beat times 16, if I recall the calculation correctly.