M50 or Tr?

Jugo · Post by **Jugo** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:38 am

Hello, I am planning on buying a new synth, and I want you to tell me, is the M50 better than the TR ? witch one should I be planning to buy ?

a.schemkes · Post by **a.schemkes** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:17 pm

The M50 ofcourse!!!! It has EDS (enhanced definition Synthese) and has a much better sound than the TR which uses the "old" AI synthese.

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:45 pm

and have larger touchscreen (tr has little screen w/o touch) but in M50 it seems that sampler functionalities and aftertouch are missing.

anyway, if you do not have any particular restriction on budget, the M50 is the choice, but consider also that probably tr price will decrease with release of M50.

shrike · Post by **shrike** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:57 pm

If sampler feature is essential for your performance (playing samples Korg lacks of) then go for TR, because TR has sampler expansion; just now there is no announcement about something similar in M50. Maybe you should wait for a while a wait will Korg resolve this issue, since I expect there will be many users demanding sampler in M50.

If sampler isn't important to you, M50 is much more advanced and there is no real competition there. TR has only 1 insert effect, where M50 has 5, two MFX and one total effect.

EQ per timbre, touchscreen, EDS, ability to use M3 sound... list probably goes on even further, but this is short version.

TR is so downgraded version of Triton that I wonder why it is at Triton line at all.

demonp · Post by **demonp** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:25 pm

shrike wrote: TR is so downgraded version of Triton that I wonder why it is at Triton line at all.

It is the same as Le and Le was triton.

M50 no sampler at all. and there will be no expansion for it. Still no audio recording in sequencer. No aftertouch, any better keys. EDS sounds almost like HI very plastic. Real peace of retro sh*t. Better to look after EXTREME. for now it should have a good price.

klarnet basowy · Post by **klarnet basowy** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:14 pm

demonp wrote:
M50 no sampler at all. and there will be no expansion for it. Still no audio recording in sequencer. No aftertouch, any better keys.

If it has all of this, it will be called M3.

EDS sounds almost like HI very plastic.

Scuse me? How sounds EDS sound?!? Have you already played the M50? Or are you referring (in a totally wrong way) to the EDS sounds in general?

Real peace of retro sh*t.

Totally disagree.

Better to look after EXTREME. for now it should have a good price.

It is out of catalog; the comparison is not correct because EXTREME was a flagship keyboard. Moreover EXTREME has HI engine.. so it has to sound very plastic also the EXTREME, don't you think?

demonp · Post by **demonp** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:46 pm

EDS sounds almost like HI very plastic.
Scuse me? How sounds EDS sound?!? Have you already played the M50? Or are you referring (in a totally wrong way) to the EDS sounds in general?

Heard demos and played M3 that was more then enough for me

Totally disagree.

No MIDI th., no IND outs, full of ugly screws on the front panel, circle buttons. No audio recording in sequencer. and many more negative things.

Moreover EXTREME has HI engine.. so it has to sound very plastic also the EXTREME, don't you think?

Yes it was(is) very plastic (developed 10 years ago it was very good), but it has a tube which can fix this a little bit. And its price now is afordable. Fantom has almost real sounds for acoustic instruments and it cost way lower than M3.

Jugo · Post by **Jugo** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:08 pm

O..k.. please stay on topic.. What I wanted to know is would the M50 or the TR be able to produce sounds to play music like this live http://www.myspace.com/neuro9 ? listen to the song 'hello' ... or something similar.. ?

(yes, I am a noob)

klarnet basowy · Post by **klarnet basowy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:21 am

demonp wrote: Heard demos and played M3 that was more then enough for me

A little more OT..

Well, we have VERY different ears, or you have listened M3 in very poor amplified conditions. The EDS sound has all but plastic sound.
Anyway, is your opinion.

bye

MauroR · Post by **MauroR** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:32 am

a.schemkes wrote:The M50 ofcourse!!!! It has EDS (enhanced definition Synthese) and has a much better sound than the TR which uses the "old" AI synthese.

The TR doesn't use AI synthesis, it uses the HI synthesis from the Triton series (Hyper Integrated).
The AI synthesis was used by the very old korg i30 and others. It was called
AI2 Synthesis System.

Jugo · Post by **Jugo** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:13 am

would someone please answer my second question? -.-

klarnet basowy · Post by **klarnet basowy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:43 am

Jugo wrote:would someone please answer my second question? -.-

Yes, from what I've heard in the myspace, you can do it with the M50. Except maybe for some really dirty "analog" sound, but the effect of the EDS engine will help you to find a decent compromise for this.

Jugo · Post by **Jugo** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:46 pm

Thank you for the answer..

I dont know if I'm allowed to ask this.. but is the Roland Juno Stage better than the Tr ? or are they more or less the same ? (for creating music similar to on that myspace page)

candlewick · Post by **candlewick** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:07 am

Juno,
I think the real question has less to do with the brand or "can this synth sound like this........" and more about the interface with the composer (YOU !) Every player has preferences relative to keybed feel, aftertouch needs, ergonomics, placement of editing controls, ect.
Some folks like myself have settled into a happy home with the Korg line of products. I am a fairly serious hobby musician with a full time day job (non music related) and I don't have the time or patience to learn a new frame and format every time I manage to aquire a new Synth. I've owned Korgs going back to my first M1 and really appreciate that I can sit down and find my way around even the newest of their products with ease. I can find sounds to inspire my musical pallete on other brands but those of us who do most all of our work on the workstation itself still have to have a "go to" board to get things done. When I first brought home my LE76 I was amazed at all the hip/hop dance patches in there. But I have found all the stuff I need to create in virtually any genre. Spend some time on these Synths and go with the one that grabs you in the seat of your pants. The one that seems to fit right.

Jugo · Post by **Jugo** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:56 am

One more questions... Since I didn't want to make another topic, and I'm new to all this workstation stuff... so.. Is there a function or anything that would let me make a list of favourite sounds or something and that I would be able to access them quickly when performing live ?