Issue with Saving and loading Samples

[blazerunner]

Hello again,

I've been fumbling around with the part of the Kronos I hate the most "The sampler". I ran into a reoccurring problem that I hope one of the masters of Kronos here might possibly know the solution for.

I made a drum kit. Saved the .KSC files where it gives you the user .KSC, regular .KSC and the file name. I went to the user program area created a program using the drum kit and gave it a name. I selected "Write Program". I see my program is now made with the name of the drum kit and all the samples playing as they should. I then go to the Global menu. I go to Auto load. I add .KSC and add my user .KSC file for the samples to the list. It's there now. I turn the Kronos off and back on. It shows my new Drum kit loaded. I go into the disk and load up an old song I wanted to spruce up with my new kit and my PGM drumkit I just made is now gone.

I go to Global and do an autoload and still my drum kit PGM is not showing up on the user section where I set it up. I turn the Kronos off and back on. The Drum Kit is completely gone now. It doesn't even auto load now. I go to the disk mode and load up my song. Then I go and manually load my samples .KSC files. There is still no program but my samples are now available in the keyboard. I go to the user PGM slot and select my samples from the ROM drop down menu. It loads my samples onto the keybed. The PGM is just as it is new and has no name though. I rename it again. I go back to my song and am now able to select the user program drum kit I made with my samples.

I do what I need to do and tidy up my song with my new drums. I save the song. I turn the Kronos off for the night. First thing in the morning I roll over and turn the Kronos back on. It loads up while I brush my teeth and when I go to the user program page my drum kit I made with my samples is still there. I go load up the song I was working on the night before and everything is in tact and my drum kit is still there. I spend half the day playing with the song and my new drum kit. I decide to load the older version of the song for reference. I load the sound and use "append". The old song loads. I play it and then I go to play my new song. My drum kit is now missing. The tracks where it was set just say "initialize program" instead of the program name I gave it. I go and check the Program page and see that my drum kit is gone once again.

I turn off the keyboard and back on and it's just like before. It doesn't autoload the drum kit I made. It's in the autoload loadout in global but it's not loading into the PGM area as it should be doing. Meanwhile through all this I will say that all the other .PGM's I made from samples years ago before I gave up on the sampler entirely are still in my user bank page. They load just fine no matter what song I'm working on. My fresh new Drum kit on the other hand is no where to be found.

Out of curiosity I go back and re-load the song I had just finished using the kit on. It loads up and my PGM drum kit is back. It appears in the tracks on the sequencer as I originally named it and it also appears in the PGM user bank where I assigned it when I go to check the Program page.

I decide to experiment and I turn my Kronos off and back on again. I read the loading screen and it list my new drum kit.ksc I made along the bottom as it loads up my other drum kit .ksc's I made from samples. Once the Kronos is finished loading I go to the program page and find my drum kit I made in the user bank again.

I'm stumped. If I remember correctly this type of issue was the reason I abandoned using the sampler and started using something else. I'm really just trying to get to the bottom of this. Where am I screwing up? What am I not doing correctly? Why doesn't my sample kit stay put irregardless of what song I load up?

I'm trying to make use of the Kronos sampler and give it another try. I got along swimmingly with my Triton's sampler. We were best friends practically. I just want the Kronos's sampler to be my friend too but it doesn't seem to like me very much. Is it because I spent these past 6-7 years ignoring it for the sequencer? Who knows...but I seek the wisdom of the wise sampling sages on this forum to help point me in the right direction so that I may learn the error of my ways. I've been reading passages in the holy Kronos manual but it doesn't seem to give me any insight as to where I've been committing my sampling sins.

I appreciate any and all help!

[PCFREE]

Hello there!

You also need to go to disk mode and save the samples to disk.

If you don't, you will lose you sample data

[blazerunner]

Hello there!

You also need to go to disk mode and save the samples to disk.

If you don't, you will lose you sample data

Hello kind traveler,

That would be the Disk Mode where you select Save Sampling Data correct? If so that was my first step after finishing fiddling around with my samples in sampler mode. That's what gives you the Sample name Folder, Sample name .KSC and User_Sample name.KSC correct? I have my Kronos set up where I cleaned out my factory HD drive so I can store files that the system uses on there and I leave my song making and saving for my 2nd HD drive and my USB backup copy HD drive. I'm not above rechecking, triple checking or quadruple checking anything if need be so if there's something I'm not selecting I'd be happy to go take another look.

[voip]

There is a bit on page 270 of the Kronos Operations Guide, which might be relevant:

"When saving the song, it is best to use Save All or Save
PCG & SEQ so that the programs are saved together
with the song. Then when loading, load both the .PCG
and the .SEQ data."

.

[PCFREE]

Hello there!

You also need to go to disk mode and save the samples to disk.

If you don't, you will lose you sample data

Hello kind traveler,

That would be the Disk Mode where you select Save Sampling Data correct? If so that was my first step after finishing fiddling around with my samples in sampler mode. That's what gives you the Sample name Folder, Sample name .KSC and User_Sample name.KSC correct? I have my Kronos set up where I cleaned out my factory HD drive so I can store files that the system uses on there and I leave my song making and saving for my 2nd HD drive and my USB backup copy HD drive. I'm not above rechecking, triple checking or quadruple checking anything if need be so if there's something I'm not selecting I'd be happy to go take another look.

It looks like you're going to g through the correct process.
At the risk of stating the obvious.....Did you definitely press the option to save?
Did you save all?

It might be worth doing a very quick test with a short sample and going through the save process again to see if you're going through all the steps.
Then restart the Kronos and see what happens this time

[AntonySharmman]

I decide to load the older version of the song for reference. I load the sound and use "append". The old song loads. I play it and then I go to play my new song. My drum kit is now missing. The tracks where it was set just say "initialize program" instead of the program name I gave it. I go and check the Program page and see that my drum kit is gone once again

As it seems your older Song was saved in an "All Saved" folder with saved samples and you had loaded _user.KSC of those
samples in append mode and your previous _user.KSC samples contents were lost !
This happened because those 2 sample projects are under the same samples ID and each time you load one then you miss the other.
This is a usual trap that sound developers face when they create a library , save samples , then modify this KSC content and
save under another name KSC container , but this won't work since samples ID is always the same and one will cancel the other
and append loading mode will work as clear !

You must always save modified KSC contents under different samples ID (ticking bellow saving box) and not just rename container.
Therefore , first arrange samples saving work and then create Programs & drumkit since after changing ID you will loose all association
between Programs and your samples.


Hope this helps

[blazerunner]

Hello everyone!

Thank you all for your kind advice and helpful suggestions. Some of these things I already do and some of these things I better start doing. Antony I thank you. I think you might of hit the nail on the head. I spent Sunday making a few more drum kits and I kept going over my save process and I believe the naming process is indeed where I was making my mistake. There's so many critical steps on the Kronos sampler that can go really wrong if you don't do them properly and in the right sequence. I learned that the hard way as usual.I've started to write down steps and procedures in a note book just so I can keep track of mission critical things I might forget like how to properly saving samples on the Kronos. Should make things a bit easier. I used to print out pages from the operating guide and highlight the areas I was interested in but even the Kronos manual sometimes feels like it was written by a robot. I genuinely thank all of you kind folks for taking the time out to help me

[AntonySharmman]

It's essential for all sampled sound developers to work in a specific workflow !

- Import your project samples whatever it is , up to the limit of Ram 1960 Mb after starting with clear mode.
- Save your sampling work only before creating anything , having always xxx.KSC and xxx_user.KSC
in a folder with name of content or partial content if it's a piano or a huge orchestra that is over 2 GB of samples.
- When saved , a specific ID is created that will always represent this saved Bank , and xxx.KSC is always used in
clear mode loading only when you want to edit any of those samples and re-save updated under the same name.
- xxx_user.KSC file of every custom bank created is the streaming mode of those samples and you can load as many
you want from your custom samples folders up to the limit of remaining Ram , creating an updated Preload.KSC.
- When you have arranged and saved all created samples then you can start creating PCG with Programs , Combinations
Wave Sequence and Drumkits since you're quite sure that all samples contents are always loaded at startup or manually.


Hope this helps