Program change in style edit

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:58 pm

Hey everyone,

just wondered if this is possible? I'm desperate to do it but I can't see any obvious way of doing it?

I can see in the events edit page that the program change filter is greyed? any reason why?

thanks,
sal

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:36 pm

upon checking the manual, it seems this isn't possible which i find ridiculous!

How can such a powerful keyboard not allow simple midi such as program changes!

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:42 pm

You can definitely have a program change message inserted on any track...you just can't do it within the same element.

Example:

For the Bass track, you can select 4 different program change messages....one per each Variation. But not more than one program change message within Var 1 on the same track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ6sughqH4g

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:46 pm

sorry Sam, I've lost you there. That video shows CC changes, not program changes.

I know i can have different programs for each variation but i need program changes for each chord variation in a variation.

I do feel program change messages are very elementary and surprised you can't insert them in yourself.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:54 am

stalian87 wrote:sorry Sam, I've lost you there. That video shows CC changes, not program changes.

I know i can have different programs for each variation but i need program changes for each chord variation in a variation.

I do feel program change messages are very elementary and surprised you can't insert them in yourself.

It doesn't matter. PC messages are entered the same way. Like I said you CAN NOT have more than one PC message on the same track within the SAME variation. I could be wrong but if I remember correctly, CVs are all tied to the style element that they're placed or grouped under. In other words, you're still within the same variation or whatever, if you're simply programming CVs that belong to the same Variation/Intro/Break/Ending.

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:51 pm

yeah i think you're just repeating what i'm saying.

i know you can't insert PC changes within the same variation, that's what i'm annoyed about.

Aripearlmusic · Post by **Aripearlmusic** » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:37 am

There are ways to put multiple program changes on the same variation on the same channel but can I ask specifically what you are trying to accomplish?

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:43 am

Aripearlmusic wrote:There are ways to put multiple program changes on the same variation on the same channel but can I ask specifically what you are trying to accomplish?

Your answer is not helpful but just annoying.

If you already claim to know a suitable solution for the question one here is are looking for, you should also share your information instead of rudely asking the counter-question why it was asked "just wondered if this is possible?".

This strange, capricious fuss unfortunately often heard in this forum, is incomprehensible (I know something you want to know, but I won't tell you?!).

The OPs question was simple and it was also described why it was asked - how to insert more than one Prg-Change within a style element.
If you know an answer it would be nice to know - if you don't want to share informations, please don't create an uncomfortable mood with this behavior.

Aripearlmusic · Post by **Aripearlmusic** » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:43 pm

I was going to share how to do it based on what hes trying to do but now im just going to keep it to myself. You can thank siebenwhateverhisnameis

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:43 am

siebenhirter wrote:...

Your answer is not helpful but just annoying.
...

If anybody's being rude, not helpful and annoying here is YOU! What makes you think you should police how anyone's making a post so it would fit your standards? Making a friendly suggestion is one thing but to be an aggressive loud mouth is another. You need to chill dude!

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:52 am

stalian87 wrote:yeah i think you're just repeating what i'm saying.

i know you can't insert PC changes within the same variation, that's what i'm annoyed about.

But remember that's not what you wrote in your first and even the second post at all. You simply said you were unable to enter a PC message. You didn't say anything about entering a second PC message within the same element ...etc.

Aripearlmusic · Post by **Aripearlmusic** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:27 am

Every channel of every CV can have a different sound by changing the program change MSB and LSB on bar 1 beat 1. It says this about 20 times in the manual

siebenhirter · Post by **siebenhirter** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:14 am

Difficulties in understanding and confusion can occur, but intentional misinformation?

In his third posting stalian87 wrote:

stalian87 wrote: ... I know i can have different programs for each variation but i need program changes for each chord variation in a variation.

Sam CA wrote: ... you CAN NOT have more than one PC message on the same track within the SAME variation.

Aripearlmusic wrote: ... There are ways to put multiple program changes on the same variation on the same channel ...

That's not true until you can prove it!

Aripearlmusic wrote: ...every channel of every CV can have a different sound ..

That is contradiction of your previous posting and no solution, because a sound of everys CV are no multiple program changes on the same variation on the same channel.

Also this is no solution but simply a redundant info, because already user Sam Ca has informed about that "you CAN NOT have more than one PC message on the same track within the SAME variation".

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:37 pm

wow, looks like i've started a little debate here.

in all honesty, it shouldn't really matter why i need to do it but I'm creating a guitar multisample which are full of loops rather than single notes and would've been much easier to create a MS instrument for each chord variation such as major, minor, 7th etc etc.

But the fact that you CAN'T insert PC messages in event viewer (as far as i know) this becomes useless. I've found another way of doing what i need to do but it would've been 100 times easier the way i described above.

I would greatly appreciate any help rather than any arguments.

stalian87 · Post by **stalian87** » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:40 pm

Aripearlmusic wrote:Every channel of every CV can have a different sound by changing the program change MSB and LSB on bar 1 beat 1. It says this about 20 times in the manual

you cannot insert MSB or LSB messages in event edit.....?

I've also tried to insert them via importing a midi and although it works in respect of the channel changing to the correct sound. The midi event get's filtered out and doesn't actually do anything after that.
So if i change to a random sound and then press play, it doesn't go back to the intended sound.

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