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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:31 pm
by EvilDragon
dtscape wrote:I've recently discovered Jem Godfrey... He uses a Roland G and I am very impressed with the sounds he gets.
Yes, he does have a G, but he uses an X6 live. Most of his sounds are NOT factory presets, though, he samples stuff from his studio recordings! Roland f***ed up the G by not implementing basic MULTISAMPLING!!! They kind of fixed it with OS upgrade, but I'm hearing it's not really working very well. G is basically a downgrade from X, which is a shame. Roland just likes putting out crap lately (apart from V-Synth, nothing else is really impressive).
dtscape wrote:I like the lead synth he used on Ovarium(which I believe was an M3).
I think you meant on Octavarium. And that synth was actually a Roland V-Synth XT (so a rack module) connected to a 3500€ worth Haken Continuum controller.
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:49 pm
by BillW
evildragon wrote:dtscape wrote:I've recently discovered Jem Godfrey... He uses a Roland G and I am very impressed with the sounds he gets.
Yes, he does have a G, but he uses an X6 live. Most of his sounds are NOT factory presets, though, he samples stuff from his studio recordings! Roland f***ed up the G by not implementing basic MULTISAMPLING!!! They kind of fixed it with OS upgrade, but I'm hearing it's not really working very well. G is basically a downgrade from X, which is a shame. Roland just likes putting out crap lately (apart from V-Synth, nothing else is really impressive).
dtscape wrote:I like the lead synth he used on Ovarium(which I believe was an M3).
I think you meant on Octavarium. And that synth was actually a Roland V-Synth XT (so a rack module) connected to a 3500€ worth Haken Continuum controller.
Jem is using a Fantom G live and multisampling works perfectly. I'm not sure where you get your information, but it's simply not true. I use multisampling on a regular basis and have been since mid 2008. I have about 300 multisamples and over 100 custom patches based on them.
Here's Jem on stage at ROSFest with a G7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-v3jJTO ... re=related
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:14 am
by EvilDragon
Oh, then he switched to it lately. Wasn't quite following. I know he mentioned he was still using X6 not long ago.
G was initially released without multisampling capabilities, that's what I've read on more than one places, and frowned upon.
Meh, I'll never be a Roland guy. I just don't like 'em.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:27 am
by theshinenz
evildragon wrote:dtscape wrote:I've recently discovered Jem Godfrey... He uses a Roland G and I am very impressed with the sounds he gets.
Yes, he does have a G, but he uses an X6 live. Most of his sounds are NOT factory presets, though, he samples stuff from his studio recordings! Roland f***ed up the G by not implementing basic MULTISAMPLING!!! They kind of fixed it with OS upgrade, but I'm hearing it's not really working very well. G is basically a downgrade from X, which is a shame. Roland just likes putting out crap lately (apart from V-Synth, nothing else is really impressive).
I've seen him play live using the g, whatt videos are you going off?
Hve you not seen nexoe resampler or fantom yase?? I few button presses and you can multisample a vst.
Have you even used the g? I have one and also the m3, love both but the fact is the g is better for live work.
Re: Choices!!!!!
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:18 am
by CfNorENa
dtscape wrote: I need some advice. Due to recent, significant, changes in my life I have decided to take a year or 2 out of gigging. I currently carry the pa(5000w) and my 3 keyboards to pretty much every gig so.... Whilst I'm off I intend to sell the pa and a few of my keyboards (I have a few others at home) so when I return to the music scene I need a new keyboard and a combo amp... this is where the advise is needed.
Do you really want to plunk down that much money so far in advance of when you'll actually be using the gear? Imagine what delicious choices you might have in 2011!
Re: Choices!!!!!
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:50 pm
by Gargamel314
dtscape wrote:Hi Everyone,
I've been a big fan of KORG for the past 15 or so years. My live setup, old as it is, is mainly Korg (01/wfd(61), Triton Classic(61) and Roland D50). For smaller gigs I just use the Korgs.
....
Due to my use of Korgs it is quite likely I'll go for that but... I need to know how much of an improvement it is over the Triton Classic. I know it has Karma and Touch screen (with functional use) etc. But are the sounds that different. I've seen the videos on youtube and, too me, it doesn't seem that much better!!! (I'm probably wrong)
In a way I am looking for something different... I need good piano, organs, strings and lead synth stuff thats nice and big!!!!
Hope you can help!!!!
FYI ... the M3 sounds WAY BETTER with the 01/W than the Triton. All of the pianos are very realistic and full sounding, it's like a DREAM compared to playing the piano sounds on the Triton. the strings and organs sound phenomenal on the M3. I can't offer much opinion on the lead sounds. I guess they're about as good as the triton's. I found that since I bought the M3, i don't miss anything really on the Triton... or even the 01/W. I always loved the string sound on the 01/W, so i sampled it and now it's on my M3. (it's downloadable too on these forums, if you ever want it, PM me)
I would say the M3 sounds much smoother than the Triton and matches the tone of the 01/W much better, where as the Triton always had such a bite in its sound.
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:33 pm
by ksounds
...and when you use the xpanded version you loose even more memory. Roland also has the ability to go from one sound to the next without clipping... which is a great idea for live playing.
You still have the same amount of sample RAM to work with. The Xpanded update doesn't change that. It simply gives you 3 or 4 options of additional sample banks that you can load, and these are optimized to consume no more RAM than necessary.
Although it's not as immediate as Roland's patch changing scheme, it is possible to seamlessly change from one program in a combi to another - or even a set of layered/split programs to another set. For more info, see
http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14430
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:53 am
by dtscape
Thank you everyone.
I had a quick play through some of my sounds on my Triton before the gig on Saturday.... I'd forgotten just how big some of the sounds are.... I don't tend to get much time to play through them as I only play it at gigs these days(practice at home on a Fantom X8.... mainly piano sound!!!).
I am a dedicated player.... I've been playing for 20 odd years now and for most of it I've carried the pa around. Here is a link to a video we did a while back (2 camcorders... Not great but it works!!!!)
http://www.zambu.co.uk/Videos/ZAMBU%20K ... 0Intro.wmv
Octovarium (sorry!!!) ... thats the one. The lead sound I mean is in the middle section (not the beginning).. I've seen a few people on youtube playing it, on various keyboards(including the M3).
As for choosing my keyboard now its because I will have the money after getting rid of the pa.... It's not guaranteed that I won't play in the next year or so anyway(as I may dep for bands etc. ) Especially if I get short of a penny or 2!!!!
Plus I'll need to have time to program it up for when I return.
73 0r 76? As said above... There's isn't much in it!!!!
Is the keybed on the M3 vastly superior to the classic triton/01/w?
I've never been a big fan of the keybed on these 2 but I just love the sound....
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:38 am
by EvilDragon
The synth lead solo in the middle of Oct
avarium was originally played on synthesizers.com modular, FYI
IMHO the M3 keybed is one of the best synth-weighted keybeds in existence. RH3 keybed on 88-key model is also superb.
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:23 pm
by dtscape
I'm leaning towards the M3 73 again at the moment.....
The look of it concerns me.... It does look cheap!!!!!
Due to listening to what I've currently got it does seem the best option. The piano is bound to be better than what I'm currently using live and I hope the strings etc are as good(if not better) than what I use now.
I had someone say to me the other week how big the string section sounded on my Triton... Made me smile that did!!!!!
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:58 am
by dtscape
Another question.....
If your in the middle of a sequencer track and you change sounds(patch) on a channel (ie the one your playing on the keyboard) Are you able to change the effects (the insert effects) along with the patch?
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:33 pm
by sani
dtscape wrote:OK... To the point now.
Is there anything a Korg M3 can do that a Fantom G can't(other than the Karma functions that is)?
Here are my personal concerns and why a Fantom G for me is an absolutely no go:
1.
Horrific file structure on par with computer technology around WW2. There is no way to load a single patch or live set from a USB. You have to use a software librarian on a computer. They put alomst a television screen on the keyboard and even the ability to connect a mouse. But you have to use a computer to load single files out of a big (project) file. Only Roland can do that.
2. Samples are - as fare as I know - stored all together in a project file. They are not stored in subfolder which would make it easy for transferring single multisamples into another project. What if I have 200 Mb of my own samples and multisamples (let's say some 30 Sounds) and I want to load only 2 or 3 into memory for making a specific project or a concert where I don't need all my samples which I otherwise use?
3.
Seamless switching is a nice feature on Roland and they made it almost perfect, but the price is for my taste far to high. There is only one insert effect per patch and there is no dedicated EQ as part of the patch structure like on a M3.
Now, when I make my combinations for a live gig, I always use an EQ on sounds in combination mode. I like to thin the pad sound for my left sound a little out (removing some low frequencies), or I apply some gain on the highs to make the sound a little brighter. I can't make this on Fantom without loosing the only available insert effect.
It's just my opinion, but Roland is the absolute world champion in screwing things totally up.
(No, I'm not a Korg fanboy. Yes, I own Roland Keyboards.)
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:15 pm
by korgboss1
sani wrote:dtscape wrote:OK... To the point now.
Is there anything a Korg M3 can do that a Fantom G can't(other than the Karma functions that is)?
Here are my personal concerns and why a Fantom G for me is an absolutely no go:
1.
Horrific file structure on par with computer technology around WW2. There is no way to load a single patch or live set from a USB. You have to use a software librarian on a computer. They put alomst a television screen on the keyboard and even the ability to connect a mouse. But you have to use a computer to load single files out of a big (project) file. Only Roland can do that.
2. Samples are - as fare as I know - stored all together in a project file. They are not stored in subfolder which would make it easy for transferring single multisamples into another project. What if I have 200 Mb of my own samples and multisamples (let's say some 30 Sounds) and I want to load only 2 or 3 into memory for making a specific project or a concert where I don't need all my samples which I otherwise use?
3.
Seamless switching is a nice feature on Roland and they made it almost perfect, but the price is for my taste far to high. There is only one insert effect per patch and there is no dedicated EQ as part of the patch structure like on a M3.
Now, when I make my combinations for a live gig, I always use an EQ on sounds in combination mode. I like to thin the pad sound for my left sound a little out (removing some low frequencies), or I apply some gain on the highs to make the sound a little brighter. I can't make this on Fantom without loosing the only available insert effect.
It's just my opinion, but Roland is the absolute world champion in screwing things totally up.
(No, I'm not a Korg fanboy. Yes, I own Roland Keyboards.)
I have both Roland Fantom G 6 and Korg M3... Roland fantom g 6 is a very good keyboard but KORG IS FATHER
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:23 pm
by ksounds
I own both a Motif XS and an M3. Looking at current MAP for those synths as well as the Fantom G, the M3 strikes me as an amazing value. Compared to the M3 88, the 88-key Fantom G is $800 more expensive, and the 88-key Motif XS is $900 more expensive. Considering the M3's quality sounds, key action, user interface, and sequencer, I'm left wondering how the other manufacturers justify that additional cost. Over the past couple years, Motif XS prices have gone up while the M3's prices have gone down. Haven't watched Fantom G prices as closely.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:47 pm
by dtscape
Right.....
Here are my issues with the M3.
1. I'm concerned with the fact that if you trigger a sample on a pad and carry on playing over that sample, on the keyboard, you have the possibility of cutting the sample due to polyphony.
2. The amount of sample ram may limit me in a set....
3. The look of the keyboard..... Just looks cheap and plastic (not a major issue!!!!)
4. All the demo's I've seen, where they use the sequencer or drum patterns, sound like a cheap keyboard demo ... almost like what you get on a home keyboard. Or is that just me.... Particularly when they use the brass sections....
I just hope when I actually try the keyboard out that it sells itself to me....
The Roland Fantom G7 is still a possability but there are so many people that say it's not that good... although the videos I've seen sound, in a lot of ways, better than the M3. Also the fact that Jem Godfrey and Jordan Rudess are both using them...
I know Jem is now sponsored by OpenLab so I wonder what he will be using in future? Anyone know yet?