Pa4X developers fatal mistake !

[DonM]

Pete, I am in agreement with you as I used the Songbook on the 3x for all my setups and used the Performances ONLY for calling up sounds, and that is exactly the way the 4x is designed, so no difference for me in that respect.
However, i can certainly emphasize with the guys who do miss it.
I hope they can restore the Performance function for their sake, but somehow make it optional, because i like it the way it is. I don't have to worry about whether the "Style" light is on when I grab a sound bank!
I was told in either this or another thread, that I'm not a heavy user, but I suppose that was because I don't use it like they did. i do use it almost every night to make my living, as I have used arrangers since they were invented in the 80s.
Nothing is perfect, but the Pa4X is very close to perfect for MY needs. I'm not disrespecting the needs of others, and I hope everyone eventually gets most or all of the changes they want or need. i know Korg seems to try very hard to listen to us and make requested changes and updates.

[johnnie]

This is all turning out to be a what if sort of thread what's here what's missing. I can see where Pete is coming from he is obviously happy with his lot and feels the 4x is ok and suitable for his own needs and there is nothing wrong with that others feel the 4x is not good enough and that's ok also.[/list]

[karmathanever]

This is all turning out to be a what if sort of thread what's here what's missing. I can see where Pete is coming from he is obviously happy with his lot and feels the 4x is ok and suitable for his own needs and there is nothing wrong with that others feel the 4x is not good enough and that's ok also.

+1

[AntonySharmman]

it will be a long time (maybe never) before we see a Kronos-Arranger - what % of owners want that now?

I don't think you really understood my functions proposal !
I didn't mention any Kronos features and I don't really care for other engines in an arranger , I refer to existing incomplete features ...

- We have 8 assignable sliders and the first feature that comes to a developers mind is to assign OSC volume to them as the primary
function in order to create an accordion/organ Lfo trigger ect , is it reasonable to omit such an important AMS send and add so many
other useless assignments there ?
- We have 3 Switches with momentary only function !!! so what if you want apply there , sound OSC vibrato or a sound articulation like Muted strings ?
We have just to press continuously SW while we play that sound , but this is an arranger and left hand is needed for chords ...
they don't have to be genius to understand how necessary this is , they only need to be Musicians and performers !

For the rest , I think siebenhirter had a very good point ...
As a very sophisticated one man band performer (thing you don't know) , I can ensure you that especially under indivindual STS properties lack
like scanning mode & velocity to Fills , my skills are 40 % reduced and my fingers are crossed since no Pa4X feature can replace those features
and I keep performing with my Pa3X untill this is fixed !

I never worry about any OS bugs , I know for sure that all will be fixed soon but You κnow it's very funny , just adding back this feature and Pa4X
becomes the flawless leader flagship korgPa arranger !!!

[siebenhirter]

... where Pete is coming from he is obviously happy with his lot and feels the 4x is ok and suitable for his own needs and there is nothing wrong with that others feel the 4x is not good enough and that's ok also

But it really is is not ok to opposite against to re-impelement features one never needs, whereas others need that features expected from predecessor models.

There is no need here to applause and commend Korgs faulty decisions and failings they made removing functions implicitiy.

Would be better to support efforts so that Pa-arrangers still have valuable features which are not to be found in other brands, even if itself is not able to use all of these functions in total or did not know how to use them.

At least not fight the efforts would be useful, if on the other hand using functions which were impelementiert subsequently reissued as Fingered3 in Pa900/600/300 .. or Fill-mode in Pa4x and hopefully the missing features we were able to use meaningful in previous models.
**

I am effectively like a one-man performer - using SONGBOOKS or not is a an option - previously (PA3X etc), using "performances" is an alternative way around setting up "songs" - SONGBOOK works perfectly for live non-stop programs and fully flexible and reliable. BUT this still comes back to personal choice ...

No - you need no choice except in the case where personal creativity you want to curtail massive.

It is a big mistake to think using Songbook or not is an option and to use Performances / KeyboardSets would be an alternative. In fact Songbook or Performances should not be regarded as competing functions, because only used both in combination with adding AutoSelect, Stylechange, FillMode and StylePreferences creates opportunities to use much more extensive than just a single option (Songbook or Keyboard Sets / Performances) you would use.

Take only one option really is to use less than half of the performance of Pa-Arrangers.
***

.. just adding back this feature and Pa4X becomes the flawless leader flagship korgPa arranger !!!

.. also hope features will be back!

[D575]

Absolutely siebenhirter, I concur , I think the point here is not to debunk what many here are happy with, but more with what many have lost and just goes to show are faith as customers with korg as a company and that we are passionate about our creativity with their product's and this has been very apparent on this forum, so to all my fellow music korg PA users I wish you all the best ...BUT korg I hope you here our call ....

[Giner]

But, be it keyboards, cars, hamburgers, hats, or anything you can name, nothing is all things to all men.

It's simple enough. You make your best judgment as to your needs, you pays your penny and you takes your choice. No need to bellyache after the fact.

[akyboy]

it will be a long time (maybe never) before we see a Kronos-Arranger - what % of owners want that now?

I don't think you really understood my functions proposal !
I didn't mention any Kronos features and I don't really care for other engines in an arranger , I refer to existing incomplete features ...

- We have 8 assignable sliders and the first feature that comes to a developers mind is to assign OSC volume to them as the primary
function in order to create an accordion/organ Lfo trigger ect , is it reasonable to omit such an important AMS send and add so many
other useless assignments there ?
- We have 3 Switches with momentary only function !!! so what if you want apply there , sound OSC vibrato or a sound articulation like Muted strings ?
We have just to press continuously SW while we play that sound , but this is an arranger and left hand is needed for chords ...
they don't have to be genius to understand how necessary this is , they only need to be Musicians and performers !

For the rest , I think siebenhirter had a very good point ...
As a very sophisticated one man band performer (thing you don't know) , I can ensure you that especially under indivindual STS properties lack
like scanning mode & velocity to Fills , my skills are 40 % reduced and my fingers are crossed since no Pa4X feature can replace those features
and I keep performing with my Pa3X untill this is fixed !

I never worry about any OS bugs , I know for sure that all will be fixed soon but You κnow it's very funny , just adding back this feature and Pa4X
becomes the flawless leader flagship korgPa arranger !!!

Anthony , No point to argue/argument with/to the guys not performing live, not "touching" any advanced features of an arranger - playing pa3/4 in basement/bedroom is 1 thing, playing live is another, especially if you are trying to use most/all of the features of arranger - and opposite, if you are not live/advanced player - "you" guys shouldn't really try defend/deny other players findings/bugs, is something is reported and than confirmed by at least one other - its bug/problem and it hopefully should be fixed - there are 2-3 guys here , constantly denying all the findings of advanced players , and i bet you will recognize yourself in this read - please stop - for your/ours sake, just ignore us - read something else - (ex. CNN.com) and let others try to figure out things with help from Korg.

[zardoz]

After 3 weeks with pa4 sent it back
Glad I have pa3x
Korg pa team blew it ..so far hopefully will correct it...

[Nemik]

After 3 weeks with pa4 sent it back
Glad I have pa3x
Korg pa team blew it ..so far hopefully will correct it...

Sorry hear that, but on other hands I think you did good decision, instead bitching on Korg team you just simple return, believe soon they correct all errors and you can always buy again.
That's should be message for all unhappy users, Don't like it, don't buy it.
BTW, a year ago live performers didn't have Korg Pa4x and they was good without it, now they complaint, they can do living because of faulty Pa4x.

I'm not defending Korg for to early release not ready yet Arranger, but don't understand "professional musicians" complain on screwing their performing because of Korg developers.
Really musicians has always backup, not depending only on one instrument, has more that $4000 invest in equipment.
I wish to see and hear all complainant people music skills, good musicians don't transpose keys for singers, they just simple play in different scale .

[zardoz]

It's great that the music dealers (that i use) have the 100% "like it"
return policy. Years ago you were stuck if you didn't like it.
This puts an enormous weight on the makers.
I spend more time playing music than bending to what I purchase ....
But.. I get GAS like everyone else
Z >>>>>>

[Nemik]

I spend more time playing music than bending to what I purchase ....

+1000
Best Quote on Pa4x section

[siebenhirter]

.. don't like it, don't buy it.
.. don't understand "professional musicians" complain on screwing their performing because of Korg developers
.. really musicians has always backup
.. good musicians don't transpose keys for singers
.. just simple play in different scale

... seems you really are not willing to understand anything or anyone not satisfied with Korgs recent OS.

Nobody ask you what to do with keyboards once bought - no need for a childish prompt.

Nobody want to know your ratings who will be a professional musician or what "really musicians" has backups or if good musicians will transpose keys or play in different scale - that has nothing to do with problems caused by poor quality of recent OS, that must be improved to be satisfactory.

Would be better you shouldn't really try defend/deny other players findings as recommended from user "akboy". If you dont understand let others try to figure out things with help from Korg as mentioned - to become a flawless leader flagship.

[D575]

Well I can say my belly is just fine there thank you, and there would appear to be some misunderstanding with exchanging views, so I would like to make it clear that my views are ment to be Constructive criticism which is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome.

[paul]

Well I can say my belly is just fine there thank you, and there would appear to be some misunderstanding with exchanging views, so I would like to make it clear that my views are ment to be Constructive criticism which is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome.

AGREED!

paul