Questions about going K1 to new K2 and organizing better

[Alexia]

Wondering if anyone has any cautions about this idea I had about organizing my new K2 better than I ever did my K1. I'd like to get rid of all the stuff I'll never use and reposition everything before I start making new combi's.

Being into any music but house/dance, techno, rap and hard/metal, and the K's overflowing with combi's and programs of these plus all the sound effects stuff that I'll never use, is there any reason or caution to why not delete them all and scrunch what's left into a less banks? It will move the factory position of practically everything... then I'll leave it there.

Question 2... my last K1 backup was in OS 3.3, the K2 is 3.4. I read some older threads about the somersaults needed to replicate K1 sounds and am hoping a better idea has surfaced since. I did try accessing some of the sounds from a OS 2.1 backup but did not get that remapping question that supposedly should have been asked by the OS 3.4.

It appears my only real choice is to change K2 to 3.3, load my last backup.... and then what? Save individual sounds as PCGs or a collection of them and their collective PCG and load it back to the K2 restored to OS 3.4?

Unfortunately my mac is still 10.6.8 and I have no access to PCG Tools.

Thank you very much in advance.

[GregC]

Being into any music but house/dance, techno, rap and hard/metal, and the K's overflowing with combi's and programs of these plus all the sound effects stuff that I'll never use, is there any reason or caution to why not delete them all and scrunch what's left into a less banks? It will move the factory position of practically everything... then I'll leave it there.

Question 2... my last K1 backup was in OS 3.3, the K2 is 3.4. I read some older threads about the somersaults needed to replicate K1 sounds and am hoping a better idea has surfaced since. I did try accessing some of the sounds from a OS 2.1 backup but did not get that remapping question that supposedly should have been asked by the OS 3.4.

It appears my only real choice is to change K2 to 3.3, load my last backup.... and then what? Save individual sounds as PCGs or a collection of them and their collective PCG and load it back to the K2 restored to OS 3.4?

Unfortunately my mac is still 10.6.8 and I have no access to PCG Tools.

Thank you very much in advance.

I am on 3.4 with my Kronos from 5 yrs ago. I have had a few 'remapping ' accidents and most of them are the result of loading 3rd party Programs.

95% of remapping accidents were an incorrect Program or 2 within a Combi. So I was able to recover my original work.

I understand the 'available ' program banks to play in might be limited. But I make an effort to manage my user Program banks. Before I load any demo I make sure I have empty banks to load them to. Then, when I am done with the demo ( lets say I didn't buy it), I copy blank init programs to the first few bank locations to indicate that this bank is available.

I see this as necessary data management but I am likely an exception here.

IMO, buying a K2 to solve a data management issue with the K1 is an expensive alternative.

[Alexia]

Thanks but sorry I must not have been clear about the fact that I already have the K2 - just got it last Friday (for other reasons than just wanting to start over).

But now that it's here, I'm wanting to do things better with this from the start, and also not lose everything I did on the K1. Why not delete everything I won't use from the start?

Thanks.

[GregC]

But now that it's here, I'm wanting to do things better with this from the start, and also not lose everything I did on the K1. Why not delete everything I won't use from the start?

Thanks.

Ah, I see. I missed that somehow, that you have both keyboards.

But still not clear. " Delete Everything " seems too general for me.

You want to clear ' your work " from the K1 ? What is that ?

Or you want to remove unused factory Programs and factory Combis ?
I would not recommend that.

[jeremykeys]

I can't say about getting rid of combi's but I'd be vary leery of getting rid of progs. Even the ones that you don't use. I might suggest you relocate them to say the double letter banks like FF and so on.

Maybe if you still want ot get rid of them, say them to a large memory stick first as a "just in case" measure.

I'm a 60 year old rocker and only until recently have I had any use for the "dance" type of sounds. I just keep modifying them until they work for me.

[Alexia]

(responding to GregC's last post)

Ok, I'll try to clarify.

I have a brand new K2, and only my OS3.3 backup of custom combi's from the K1.

Issue 1
I know I won't ever use 50% of the factory sounds on my new K2. Is there any reason not to delete these 50% right away and consolidate what's left into fewer banks? Both to free up space, but just as much to not have to see the the clutter anymore.

Issue 2
How to transfer my K1 custom combi's saved in 3.3 to the K2 which arrived with 3.4. I do not have access to PCG tools for having too old an OS on my mac.

Thank you again.

[Alexia]

I can't say about getting rid of combi's but I'd be vary leery of getting rid of progs. Even the ones that you don't use. I might suggest you relocate them to say the double letter banks like FF and so on.

Maybe if you still want ot get rid of them, say them to a large memory stick first as a "just in case" measure.

I'm a 60 year old rocker and only until recently have I had any use for the "dance" type of sounds. I just keep modifying them until they work for me.

Maybe that's a good suggestion - leave the programs, but delete all the combi's I don't want. That won't backfire in any unexpected way, right? Thanks.

[19naia]

Not a thing to worry about, you can save the entire "All", pcg, ge, samples, wave seq. and whatever can be saved onto media via disk mode ,save it to a cheap usb stick and save the internal memory for whatever else.
All that stuff will be there on file even if you intialize every slot in every bank of the Kronos internal load, and then you can always have it in disk mode files just in case you want to sift through it and pull up a single program or sample or pattern or whatever else.
There is never an issue of having to lose anything for good. You can have multiple content set ups of the entire workstation that dont have to conflict with each other, just have multiple save all files.
The things you cant delete or change any way, will be standard across every set up version you have on file.
Filing in disk mode lets you have multiples of the entire keyboard set up with different organization to each.
Literally unlimited kronos content is possible through disk mode files.

[Alexia]

Not a thing to worry about, you can save the entire "All", pcg, ge, samples, wave seq. and whatever can be saved onto media via disk mode ,save it to a cheap usb stick and save the internal memory for whatever else.
All that stuff will be there on file even if you intialize every slot in every bank of the Kronos internal load, and then you can always have it in disk mode files just in case you want to sift through it and pull up a single program or sample or pattern or whatever else.
There is never an issue of having to lose anything for good.......

Thank you. What about... is there ever any concern about moving program positions from the factory positions?

The other big question is... how do I replicate the combis I saved in the K1/OS 3.3 format to the K2/OS 3.4? (I have the backup file, not the K1 itself anymore)

It appears the only option is to change the K2 OS to 3.3, load my K1 3.3 backup.... then how should I save my combi's so I can load them into the 3.4 after I put that OS back? Each combi singly?

Thank you.

[JPROBERTLA]

I did this about a year ago. The first suggestion is to save everything from both keyboards on at least 2 different memory sticks; never enough back-up.

If you are ok with the way your K1 is set up, you can replicate it on the K2. There aren't that many samples in the K1 what aren't in the K2. You will be able to fine them by comparing the program and sample lists. I have been told that some K2 programs that are named the same as k1 programs have been improved, but I can verify that. Anyway you could find them if you are willing to spend the time. Most of the changes are in the beginning of each program bank.

I did this because I have 250+ sequences and did not want to re-voice them. There is very little difference between the two once the latex OS is installed. The Berlin piano is one of my least favorites and thats the main difference sample wise. Most (if not all) of the new or revised programs used the same samples.

[StephenKay]

What about... is there ever any concern about moving program positions from the factory positions?

Combis rely on the programs to be in a specific order. If you delete and rearrange programs, then no combis from anyone else will work on your Kronos, unless they are entirely self-referencing (only use programs that are included in a separate bank that specifically go with those combis). If you're OK with never loading any other combis from other developers, whether for free or for sale, then there's no particular problem with moving factory programs around. Personally, I wouldn't do it...

[Alexia]

What about... is there ever any concern about moving program positions from the factory positions?

Combis rely on the programs to be in a specific order. If you delete and rearrange programs, then no combis from anyone else will work on your Kronos, unless they are entirely self-referencing (only use programs that are included in a separate bank that specifically go with those combis). If you're OK with never loading any other combis from other developers, whether for free or for sale, then there's no particular problem with moving factory programs around. Personally, I wouldn't do it...

That's very helpful to understand, thank you, and everyone who contributed. And if you wouldn't do it Mr. Kay, I'm sure going to take that advice.

[Alexia]

What about... is there ever any concern about moving program positions from the factory positions?

Combis rely on the programs to be in a specific order. If you delete and rearrange programs, then no combis from anyone else will work on your Kronos, unless they are entirely self-referencing (only use programs that are included in a separate bank that specifically go with those combis). If you're OK with never loading any other combis from other developers, whether for free or for sale, then there's no particular problem with moving factory programs around. Personally, I wouldn't do it...

That's very helpful to understand, thank you, and everyone who contributed. And if you wouldn't do it Mr. Kay, I'm sure going to take that advice.

[bobmusic]

Unfortunately my mac is still 10.6.8 and I have no access to PCG Tools.

Have you installed the original Kronos Editor? It does also a great job in regard to librarian functionality.

[Alexia]

Unfortunately my mac is still 10.6.8 and I have no access to PCG Tools.

Have you installed the original Kronos Editor? It does also a great job in regard to librarian functionality.

You're right, I just did install it and it's working. Now I have a big puzzle. I've decided I really would go thru the trouble to clear out the sound effects, techno/house and much misc from the new K2 I'll never use if I could.

But I mostly want all the combis I made on the K1 that I only have a backup of in 3.3.

Would it be better to backup the K2, change the K2 back to 3.3, load my old K1 full backup, change that now to 3.4, and then ONLY add the SINGLE programs and combi's I want from the new K2 backup data?

I'll even go thru the trouble of pre-choosing the K2 combi's I want and make a list of which programs they use and make sure they're added.

OR the converse...

Change the K2 to 3.3, load my whole K1 3.3 backup, make one bank of the K1 combis I want, change K2 back to 3.4, SAVE ALL in 3.4, then restore the K2 back to factory, delete all it's programs/combi's I don't want and just load my one bank of K1 combis with all related programs?

Thank you.