Features still needed AFTER 1.10 update

[Ted3000]

......is that so extreme?

Compared to how I use mine? Yes. But I can see how it would be handy.

I'm starting to get a little suspicious that these new electribes are not really ideal for people who need them to do things that they don't do.

Personally, I experience zero shortcomings with the sequencing/performance side of things. It's the filter behavior, effects voicing, and other aspects of the sound that let me down a little.

Like I don't like the way the Short Delay is almost inaudible, and does not use all 128 values to adjust speed. And I can't use a distortion insert that gets so damn loud with no way to apply gain compensation.

[sauce]

I guess if your idea of a performance is baking a track from scratch like you were DJ Julia Child you'd NEED seamless saves.

Yep. This is *definitely* a huge part of my performance.

In which case the new tribes are not appropriate for your extreme lifestyle choices.

Actually, historically, the Electribes have been legendary in this regard.

[sauce]

It's the filter behavior, effects voicing, and other aspects of the sound that let me down a little.

Yep. The automatic attenuation of filter resonance, multiple instances of BPM-synced delays with dedicated timing, "flubby" inaccurate motion-sequencing, lack of timestretch (on the sampler) etc. etc. etc.

No matter, I am still falling in love with mine.. It's just that it's a crappy-but-fun toy like the Yamaha DJX and not the all-in-one solution it was purported to be.

[apapdop]

Wow, there's some manly s**t going down here tonite!!! I feel very inferior and limpdick for actually thinking the new ones are really quite powerful and creative...

[sauce]

I feel .. the new ones are really quite powerful and creative...

I love mine, but I am not sure what about it I could actually call "powerful". You don't think both units are pretty tame by today's standards? What features about either the synth engine or the sequencer do you find powerful?

[apapdop]

Maybe powerful is a poor choice of word. I have nothing to judge them against other than the ESX/EMX (and some Yamaha stuff which i sold a long time ago...) and some ipad stuff. I'm a little worse for wear right now, so all i'll say is that making tracks on the new ones (for me for me for me!!!!) is the most fun i've ever had making music. Yep, it hiccups a little when you hit write when it's still playing but that's not a biggie for me.

I weish the note tails would carry iver though...

[sauce]

Well, no matter what, I can't deny that it's a fun little unit.. I lose track of time and make myself late regularly when messing around with it, lol.

[roblabs]

Well, no matter what, I can't deny that it's a fun little unit.. I lose track of time and make myself late regularly when messing around with it, lol.

True that, Sauce! This happens to me almost every day!

[mijaba]

as a producer rather than a performer, I want "playback" as a function. I do everything in my songs from guitar, sequencing, keys and vocals. It would be nice to be able to program a song in the e2 (e2s) complete with mutes and transitions so I can put the unit on autopilot while I'm busy with my other tasks---- but I WILL learn to work within the limitations of the machine as I have done before and maybe I'll discover something new and pass that knowledge on.
My first piece of gear was a Roland r5 human rhythm composer I bought new in 1991. I never touched the midi because it was my only electronic instrument but I modified the s**t out of the sounds on it to where it sounded like much more than a drum machine.
The e2 has 3 times the sounds and 1/3 the sequencing capabilities---- but I will manage. I MUST manage, because it's coming in the mail today and I aint buying any more gear!!!

[bladuck]

Wow, there's some manly s**t going down here tonite!!! I feel very inferior and limpdick for actually thinking the new ones are really quite powerful and creative...

Apadop, agreed. I enjoy this conversation (page 6 and 7)... Funny that all of it are valid points...from all the angles...
That keeps reminding me how universal the E2 is. To cover such diverse user base.
... But somehow saving while playing without a glitch is for the top 1% artist crowd... And those have better tools to use.

[pitorescu]

Lol, you people wrote 7 pages of s**t and this thing still doesn't have master tune, wake the f*ck up )

[krakapow]

Hold tight adadpop, theres a pill for that.

When reading stuff like the last two pages i always think i must be too positive about my gear.
That the external in is not being routed thru the xy mfx is a let down tho.
But somehiw understandable, as it would kill the kaos pad market.

The main feature i want implemented is either quantize off or greater quantize resolution, with that you could build patterns in half or quadraple time and bypass the 4 bar constraint.

All in all i am very happy with my e2, actually leaning on a 6 out of 6 score.

But another thing i was wondering, if u sync a e2 and a e2s via midi, do they both switch patterns as designated by wichever unit is master?
Does anyone here run both in a live setting and can tellll how they augment eachother in other ways

[Pygmy]

Lol, you people wrote 7 pages of s**t and this thing still doesn't have master tune, wake the f*ck up )

I'd rather have the ability to actually copy/move/transpose note data within a pattern.

Adjusting the master tune to something else then 440hz just to appease idiots who think it rebases their kundalini chakra to their inner child's aura when the moon is full isn't very high on my list.

[Pygmy]

Wow, there's some manly s**t going down here tonite!!! I feel very inferior and limpdick for actually thinking the new ones are really quite powerful and creative...

Oh I can certainly understand you think they're quite powerful and creative, if you've never used any of the previous 12 Electribes, or any Roland music production station, or a Yamaha RS7000 or even the RM1X, or any Quasimidi groovebox, or...

Wait a minute, let me rephrase that.

Lots of grooveboxes of the past 25 years implemented simple stuff like

assignable configurable midi-in/out per part,
step-sequencing,
data copying/moving/transposing,
8 bars or more per pattern,
song-modes,
actually being able to do 32 / 64 note polyphony (independent of effects applied) without voice stealing,
time-stretching on samples,
sending program/bank changes to other external equipment,
gapless pattern saving,
decent sample editor in-the-box,
effects applicable on sound-input,
reverb on individual parts...

and that's just *some* of the features I can think of that 10 to 25 year old grooveboxes had that the new E2's don't.

But if you just started using audio equipment and the E2 makes you feel like a Superstar DJ, hey, more power to you.
I'd just appreciate it if you didn't go around acting like other people are stupid just because they have more experience with gear than you do.

[wasstof]

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