Key track/volume for CX-3

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Key track/volume for CX-3

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I've only had my Kronos-2 for a couple of weeks so please be gentle with me...
I'm trying to adjust the volume on a CX-3 programme so it gets quieter the higher up you play the keyboard. I can do this with other sounds by using key track as an AMS for volume output. For some reason it doesn't quite work on the CX-3; although the volume can be reduced as you play a scale up the keyboard, if you hold a (quiet) high note down then play a low note, the high note becomes as loud as the low note, and vice versa. This doesn't happen on other engines, you can hold a (loud) low chord and play a quiet high melody (or vice versa if you use negative key track values). So it seems on the CX-3 the overall volume of the entire keyboard is set by the last note you play, if you're trying to what I'm doing.
Is there another way to get the higher notes quieter? For some reason also in combi mode the key slope doesn't seem to make any difference on CX-3 sounds.
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I was going to suggest the Combi key slope but you say that doesn't work either. Hmm...

I would then suggest EQ. Reducing the high frequencies might work. Besides the normal EQ there are more in the IFX sections.

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CX-3 Key track/volume

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Thanks Geo, I've fiddled about with various effects including EQ/compression etc but I really need a less subtle volume change than they will give.
It ought to be simple, you probably can't do what I want on an actual Hammond but this is a Kronos!
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You could run two instances on two different timber slots in a combination and set the levels. I realize this is not ideal but if the CX3 doesn't respond to the tracking, it's an alternative.

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Post by Davd C. Polich »

I understand what you'd like to do. However, I don't think the CX-3
engine plays well with keytrack>volume level. I think it might actually
be a mater of authentic Hammond organ behavior - because in actuality, you cannot scale the volume of the keyboard on a real Hammond.

Being an old-school B3 player myself, I wouldn't bother with trying to
scale the volume of the upper keyboard notes for a CX-3 sound. On a real B3, you certainly do get screaming loud from the upper registers on the keyboard (depending on your drawbar settings). How do you deal with it? You learn to use the volume pedal (on the B3 it's called the "swell" pedal) correctly so when you go for the higher notes, you back down on the volume pedal accordingly. Or, you just don't give a crap if the volume is piercingly loud when you play the upper regsiters - because that's what a B3 does and you just roll with it. If that bothers people in the audience, that's their problem.
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Davd C. Polich wrote:I understand what you'd like to do. However, I don't think the CX-3
engine plays well with keytrack>volume level. I think it might actually
be a mater of authentic Hammond organ behavior - because in actuality, you cannot scale the volume of the keyboard on a real Hammond.

Being an old-school B3 player myself, I wouldn't bother with trying to
scale the volume of the upper keyboard notes for a CX-3 sound. On a real B3, you certainly do get screaming loud from the upper registers on the keyboard (depending on your drawbar settings). How do you deal with it? You learn to use the volume pedal (on the B3 it's called the "swell" pedal) correctly so when you go for the higher notes, you back down on the volume pedal accordingly. Or, you just don't give a crap if the volume is piercingly loud when you play the upper regsiters - because that's what a B3 does and you just roll with it. If that bothers people in the audience, that's their problem.
David you are spot on. I personally like the screaming on upper registers like the original B-3.
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