Damper pedal not working for other timbres in Combi?

[pizzafilms]

I'm using a Casio PX-5S as a second controller for my Kronos 61. It's connected via USB. I have a pedal and a damper connected to the Kronos for the usual Master Volume and damper pedal functions.

I have a Combi setup with the Kronos keyboard to play MIDI channel 1 and the Casio outputting on MIDI channel 16 to play what's in the last timbre.

I hear each sound respectively when I play each keyboard as I would expect and the volume pedal controls the volume of everything. Great.

But...the damper pedal only sustains what's on MIDI channel 1. So when I play the Casio (on 16) and hold down the sustain pedal, I get no sustain.

Is there a way to fix this?

I looked in the Combi / MIDI Filter 1 page and Enable Damper is on for all channels.

Anyone?

Thanks!

PS - And thank you to everyone here...I'm a new Kronos owner and this forum has been AMAZINGLY helpful.

[HardSync]

There's a technique using KARMA's MIDI I/O routing to do what you want. I wrote it about it here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 193#584193

You'll need to modify the instructions so that only the Damper checkbox is ticked -- uncheck all other boxes.

[pizzafilms]

Thank you. That worked.

Seems like a lot of work to just get the damper working on other channels. I guess it's because the damper, pitch bend and mod wheels (and keyboard) are hard wired to the global channel. Maybe I'm spoiled that the pedal has a setting for Master Volume.

Thanks again.

[SanderXpander]

Assuming you have the "piano" style sounds triggered mostly from the Casio, it might make sense to hook the damper pedal up to that.

[pizzafilms]

Actually, it did work, but with a bad side effect.

Now, when I play the Kronos keyboard, it also plays the sound on timbre 16 along with timbre 1. I unchecked the Timbre Through box but that doesn't make a difference.

I guess I might have to plug the sustain pedal into the Casio like HardSync suggested because yes, most of the time the sustain pedal is for a piano-type sound...although I'd love for it to just work no matter what.

[HardSync]

That's odd. Did you do this step?

Set both the Zone Btm & Top to C -1. That's C minus 1.

You also may need to make a minor adjustment on the MIDI Filter/Zones > Keyboard Zones tab.

Also, make sure neither the Thru In Z or Thru Out Z boxes are checked on the KARMA > GE Setup/Key Zones tab. These are different from the Timbre Thru on the same page.

[pizzafilms]

Yes, Zone range for A is C-1 to C-1.

In the MIDI Filter/Zones > Keyboard Zones tab, I tried setting the zone range for timbre 16 -> C-1 to C-1, but then the Casio keyboard doesn't play that timbre.

And yes, the Thru in Z and Thru out Z are checked off.

:/

[HardSync]

Sorry. I'm stumped. It ought to work -- unfortunately I can't test it because all of my gear is currently in a shipping container or depot somewhere in NYC probably. In the meantime, go with Sander's suggestion and hook up the pedal to the Casio. Honestly, that's the best & simplest way to handle it. I prefer to have a designated damper pedal for each keyboard anyway -- just easier to deal with.

[pizzafilms]

All good, my friend.

Thanks so much for taking the time to share the knowledge with a noob.

[jeebustrain]

Sorry. I'm stumped. It ought to work -- unfortunately I can't test it because all of my gear is currently in a shipping container or depot somewhere in NYC probably. In the meantime, go with Sander's suggestion and hook up the pedal to the Casio. Honestly, that's the best & simplest way to handle it. I prefer to have a designated damper pedal for each keyboard anyway -- just easier to deal with.

yea - I was going to say, I've always just used a different pedal for each keyboard - it's really flexible if you need it to be and it just works. Plus, you can get a decent damper pedal for like $25 these days.

[pizzafilms]

Yeah, but I really like the idea of just one pedal. I'll never have to think about which one and one less piece of gear. I'll probably just put the sustain pedal on the Casio because 99% of the time, the Casio will have some kind of piano patch while the Kronos 61 would have a B3 or synth.

Although, I vaguely remember seeing someone selling pedals with two cables for this kind of thing. Hmm...

Oh, and, which Roger Dean painting?

[jeebustrain]

Yeah, but I really like the idea of just one pedal. I'll never have to think about which one and one less piece of gear. I'll probably just put the sustain pedal on the Casio because 99% of the time, the Casio will have some kind of piano patch while the Kronos 61 would have a B3 or synth.

Although, I vaguely remember seeing someone selling pedals with two cables for this kind of thing. Hmm...

Oh, and, which Roger Dean painting?

I can get that. I don't recall ever seeing a pre-made pedal, but you could try a 1/4"TRS Y cable to see if that would work. Heck, you could probably make one just as easily.

Oh, and the Topographic Oceans painting remains my favorite piece of art of he's done. So that one. I'm one of the fish.

[SanderXpander]

I haven't really ever done this but aren't you supposed to filter out the notes in the Karma module you're using to copy the pedal information?

[HardSync]

I haven't really ever done this but aren't you supposed to filter out the notes in the Karma module you're using to copy the pedal information?

Yes, the instructions should make that clear, and with the KARMA module not running, and with all of the timbre thru options disabled, & KARMA zoning correctly applied, the timbre should not receive midi notes. It would be helpful if somebody could attempt the technique on an initialised combi & confirm whether it works. It worked for the pitch-bend request, although that was slightly different I suppose -- I don't understand why it's not working in this case. If I could test it, I would.

[SanderXpander]

I meant in the GE filter page.