[FIXED!] Issue with playback of recorded MIDI in Cubase

[Yuma]

I have a Kronos 61 and use it in combination with Cubase 5. I haven't had any issues with this setup, until I recently reinstalled Windows 8 and Cubase 5.
With the reinstall of Windows 8, I have also installed the latest version of the Korg MIDI driver (1.14_r8).
Before the reinstall, I used the previous driver version (1.14_r6); both r6 and r8 are labeled as Windows 8 compatible.

Here's the issue:

1) I select a MIDI track on the Kronos
2) I select the same MIDI track in Cubase
3) I record some MIDI, which works fine (I can also hear the sound while recording)
4) I play back the recorded MIDI, but hear no sound
5) While playing back, I select a different MIDI track on the Kronos; now I do hear the recorded MIDI data from the MIDI track I switched away from.

So I can't hear playback of the active MIDI track on the Kronos.
I have no clue what causes the issue, but it might have been a setting I've accidentally changed (don't know which setting though).
Anyone willing to think with me while trying to find the cause of this?

PS) I have no issues when recording directly into the sequencer on the Kronos, so I think it's related to Cubase.

[Yuma]

I have uninstalled the r18 driver and installed the r16 driver.
This didn't fix the issue though, so it's not driver related.
I have reinstalled the r18 driver now.

I normally have local control "on" on the Kronos and MIDI thru turned off in Cubase.
Switching this to local control "off" on the Kronos and MIDI thru on in Cubase made no difference though.
So it's not related to this.
I have put it back on local control "on" on the Kronos and MIDI thru turned off in Cubase now.

Another thing I notice is that sound on playback sometimes breaks up.
This didn't happen before either, so might be related to the issue.

[Yuma]

For the audio I was using Asio4ALL v2.11 beta 2.
I have uninstalled this version and installed Asio4ALL v2.10 stable.
This made no difference though, so it's not related to Asio4ALL.
I have reinstalled Asio4ALL v2.11 beta 2 now.

This pushes me even more into the direction of Cubase 5.
It's most likely a setting I'm overlooking in that program.

[pedro5]

The only thing I can think of at the moment is a midi channel mismatch…..??...
You may have already checked the following, anyway,but I will mention the obvious,just in case.

As an example……
Cubase,track 1,channel 1….
Kronos,track 1,channel 1G or Gch….
(With the global set to channel 1).

These can be altered with different variations,of course,but it may provide a basic setting to begin with.

Also try using the Kronos sequencer set up and record midi via Cubase, to see if that works.

Could this be anything to do with Windows midi device limitations…???(Just a guess).

Good Luck.

[Yuma]

The only thing I can think of at the moment is a midi channel mismatch…..??...
You may have already checked the following, anyway,but I will mention the obvious,just in case.

As an example……
Cubase,track 1,channel 1….
Kronos,track 1,channel 1G or Gch….
(With the global set to channel 1).

These can be altered with different variations,of course,but it may provide a basic setting to begin with.

I have checked this and it is set correctly.
* Cubase track 1, channel 1
* Kronos track 1, channel 1
* Global channel on 1

Also try using the Kronos sequencer set up and record midi via Cubase, to see if that works.

I've tried that. The MIDI data is recorded correctly into Cubase. That's not the issue though.
The issue is that I can't play back that recorded data as long as I have the MIDI track (example MIDI track 01) selected on the Kronos.
If I select a different MIDI track on the Kronos (example MIDI track 02), I can hear the recorded data of MIDI track 01.

Could this be anything to do with Windows midi device limitations…???(Just a guess).

When I removed the r18 driver, I have also removed all other MIDI-related drivers through the Korg uninstall tool.
I only have 4 MIDI devices in that list, so no where near the limit.
Besides: MIDI recording is working fine.

Thanks for thinking with me though. Any bit of help is welcome.

[SanderXpander]

Maybe some weird echo? If local control AND Cubase midi thru are on...?

[pedro5]

Does this happen in program or combination mode ? (or both...).

Have you checked the midi filtering setting ?

Although I can't find a specific midi "playback" filter,there may well be something having a blocking effect,somewhere.

Wondering if it'll be worth considering re-installing Cubase,again.....

[Yuma]

Maybe some weird echo? If local control AND Cubase midi thru are on...?

I have either: 1) local control "on" on Kronos and MIDI thru "off" in Cubase
or: 2) local control "off" on Kronos and MIDI thru "on" in Cubase.

Neither combinations fix the issue. I understand that turning both local control and MIDI thru "on" will result in an echo or double played notes.
That's not the issue here though.

Does this happen in program or combination mode ? (or both...).

This happens in sequencer mode. I rarely use program or combination mode.
I haven't tried this yet in combination mode, but will try this next time I switch on the Kronos.

Have you checked the midi filtering setting ?

Although I can't find a specific midi "playback" filter,there may well be something having a blocking effect,somewhere.

I have no experience with MIDI filtering (I guess this filters what MIDI data gets recorded and what doesn't). MIDI recording works fine though.
It's just that I can't hear playback of recorded MIDI of a specific track as long as I have that track actively selected on the Kronos.

Wondering if it'll be worth considering re-installing Cubase,again.....

That has crossed my mind as well. Maybe something went wrong with the install of Cubase after I reinstalled Windows 8.
I might do that soon though, to see if that fixes the issue. I am quite sure it's somewhere related to Cubase and not to the Kronos.

[QuiRobinez]

isn't this just a preference setting where you 'arm' the speaker symbol and record symbol on the corresponding channel?

the active channel should have the speaker symbol set to On

[Yuma]

isn't this just a preference setting where you 'arm' the speaker symbol and record symbol on the corresponding channel?

the active channel should have the speaker symbol set to On

It's the active track on the Kronos that causes the issue in combination with Cubase.
It doesn't matter what track I arm in Cubase in that case, because it's about the playback, not the recording part.

For example: I have track 1 selected in sequence mode on the Kronos and I record some MIDI on track 1 in Cubase.
This works fine: all notes and other MIDI data (velocity, etc) is recorded.
I then move back to the start of the track and hit "play" in Cubase.
I should now hear the patch that's selected in track 1 on the Kronos, but I hear nothing.
When I select another track on the Kronos (say track 2) and I hit "play" again in Cubase, I can hear the patch selected on track 1.
If I (during playback) select track 1 on the Kronos again, the sound disappears again.

[pedro5]

Just some more thoughts on this….

Try using another midi keyboard (if you have one…) to play the Kronos via Cubase as per current usb midi set up,or using the 5 pin din connection, just to make sure that the Kronos actually receives on channel 1.

(You can also try the direct keyboard to keyboard connection as well,of course,especially if you don't have the means to connect both to the computer etc).

Although I use an iMac with Cubase Elements,the principle working should be similar,I've tried it on Win XP (don't have anything later than that) via Virtual Box emulator on the mac and all seems to work correctly with different midi channel configurations.

I feel this could well be a simple oversight regarding settings somewhere…..perhaps another attempt from scratch may work....??

It is difficult to pin this down remotely as none of us can really see any of your settings,obviously,so it's mostly guess work….. for me at least…
Probably someone will contribute with the exact solution over time,so don't give up !!!

Best Wishes.

[pedro5]

Just realized you're in sequencer mode....I thought it was combination mode.

Is track 1 set to BTH...?

[QuiRobinez]

[quote="YumaIt's the active track on the Kronos that causes the issue in combination with Cubase.
It doesn't matter what track I arm in Cubase in that case, because it's about the playback, not the recording part.

For example: I have track 1 selected in sequence mode on the Kronos and I record some MIDI on track 1 in Cubase.
This works fine: all notes and other MIDI data (velocity, etc) is recorded.
I then move back to the start of the track and hit "play" in Cubase.
I should now hear the patch that's selected in track 1 on the Kronos, but I hear nothing.
When I select another track on the Kronos (say track 2) and I hit "play" again in Cubase, I can hear the patch selected on track 1.
If I (during playback) select track 1 on the Kronos again, the sound disappears again.[/quote]

is't it a midi loop?

could you try this?:
-record your pattern in cubase
- press play, now you hear nothing
- then on that channel change the kronos sound from MIDI In to any other MIDI IN port (so that you rule out a midi loop).

if you hear things now, then it's because you have created a midi loop in your setttings.

[Yuma]

Just realized you're in sequencer mode....I thought it was combination mode.

Is track 1 set to BTH...?

Yes, all tracks in the sequencer are set to BTH. That was the first thing that came to my mind when I encountered this issue. But yeah: those are all fine.
Also: it still doesn't explain why I can hear the patch of track 1 as soon as I deselect track 1 on the Kronos (by selecting another track).

It's indeed a vague issue (and I didn't have that before I reinstalled Windows 8 and Cubase 5).
I think it's best to uninstall Cubase 5 totally (even manually delete any left-overs) and reinstall the program again.

is't it a midi loop?

could you try this?:
-record your pattern in cubase
- press play, now you hear nothing
- then on that channel change the kronos sound from MIDI In to any other MIDI IN port (so that you rule out a midi loop).

if you hear things now, then it's because you have created a midi loop in your setttings.

I can try that next time I switch my Kronos on (won't be tonight as I have a night shift coming up, but can prolly do that tomorrow afternoon).
Thanks for the tip.

[pedro5]

Yuma.
What's the latest with this ?

Can you give an update,please.